Originally Posted by Deice Press (Post 1345325)

They will pull his PRIA and they will be on there. If he actually has 2 failures they will catch it and probably fire him.

Originally Posted by SKYWCRJCA (Post 1345709)

After Colgan accident the FAA removed the expungement period all together with exception that any info on a failure prior to 2006 does not show up. Anything after that year now stays on the pria indefinitely.

Originally Posted by kls81 (Post 1345674)

How do you go about requesting this information? Do I want the pria or foia information?

I went on the faa website and it seems like all the forms are for employers to request this info.

Originally Posted by Palmtree Pilot (Post 1345712)

FAA Complete Airmen's File:Airmen Certification - Get Copies of Airman Certification Records

For anyone to get any information on your medical records, besides the medical certificate you hold and any restrictions on it, requires you to release it to them in writing. EVEN with FOIA your medical records are protected under the Privacy Act.

Search "AFS-620 PRIA"

Originally Posted by kls81 (Post 1345744)

Hello,
So by requesting the copies of airman certification records this info will show previous checkride failures?

Originally Posted by Beech90 (Post 1345324)

My friend had a interview with RAH, and has two checkride failures, but he told me he told them he had none. Is there a way from them to find out?

His old logbook from his part 91 days was destroyed, so the checkrides are not in there.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1345714)

Medical info is a lot harder to get. The fact that you have an FAA medical cert is easy to verify online using the FAA airmen database...takes about 60 seconds.

But I doubt airlines will be able to get any details (exam reports, correspondence, etc) from the FAA. The privacy act cannot be waived, even by the subject of the inquiry as far as I know.

The only way for an airline to get FAA medical details would be for the pilot to use FOIA or privacy act to obtain his own records and then hand them over to the airline himself.

Originally Posted by Rotor2prop (Post 1345480)

Just curious, what does your airman file include when you order it or an employer requests the full file through FOIA? Do you get actual copies of your 8710s, medicals, and IACRA information? Or is it just a summary showing your certificates held, failures if any, etc...?

Originally Posted by SKYWCRJCA (Post 1345709)

After Colgan accident the FAA removed the expungement period all together with exception that any info on a failure prior to 2006 does not show up. Anything after that year now stays on the pria indefinitely. The FAA also says its a temporary suspension of the expungement process, so I'd imagine in the future they'll return to expunging of records.

Originally Posted by JetBlast77 (Post 1345921)

Whats the deal with training records from 121? Will they see training records from just the last 5 years or any employer from the last 5 years? For example, if I've only been employed at a single 121 airline for the past 10 years, will the next carrier I interview for get just the last 5 years of my training records or will they get all of it? Obviously I will still disclose anything and everything if applicable, im just curious what they see in this area.

Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1345900)

...Once you sign the waivers allowing them access to your records, they can get anything available. You waive your right to privacy when you sign the form allowing them access to the records...

Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1345900)

When I made the request for my medical file, it contained every medical and all the supporting documentation I supplied to the FAA when I reapplied for my medical after surgery. Once you sign the waivers allowing them access to your records, they can get anything available. You waive your right to privacy when you sign the form allowing them access to the records. However I don't think RP has you sign anything in regard to medical stuff, just flying background.

Originally Posted by Palmtree Pilot (Post 1345928)

What waiver are you talking about, PRIA? A PRIA form gives employers no more information than what class of medical certificate you hold and any restrictions on it. Because of the "privacy act" and HIPAA the medical records that the FAA have on you to support your medical applications cannot be given out to anyone unless you give written consent with specific language to do so. PERIOD

STOP POSTING CRAP THAT IS NOT TRUE :eek:

Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1346044)

No I am talking about a request to view any and all medical records. It depends on the employer. Some ask for it, most do not. You need to read what you are signing. If it is a medical release, they can get everything in your medical file. You waive your right to HIPAA when the release is signed. Hence the term "release".

Originally Posted by Palmtree Pilot (Post 1346049)

Produce a link to the form and then I'll believe you. I just talked to a guy at the FAA this morn who assured me that medical records in my file cannot and will not be released to any third party. I just signed a bunch of PRIA forms for a company last week and went over them VERY thoroughly, as they were sent to me via email prior to interviewing and what you describe is nowhere to be found.

Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1346044)

No I am talking about a request to view any and all medical records. It depends on the employer. Some ask for it, most do not. You need to read what you are signing. If it is a medical release, they can get everything in your medical file. You waive your right to HIPAA when the release is signed. Hence the term "release".

Originally Posted by MEMbrain (Post 1345530)

I stand corrected, you only have THREE checkride failures.

Originally Posted by NCR757dxr (Post 1346085)

So what...... this type of talk is the real issue. 9.9 times out of 10, check ride busts are not indicative of the quality of the pilot. The problem that many with bust(s) run into is the blatant ignorance from HR departments and the media fueled by public opinion.

I have been called a great pilot by all of my CFIs (sunshine up my butt, maybe) but I also had commendation letters from the Chief pilot, a standards capt, and a few other guys indicating my skill (so maybe not sunshine). I've had others approach me in the halls at my old flight school saying they've heard good thing about me as well. Guess what? I've busted a few rides. I hate it since I'm a perfectionist too. Who cares man! If the regional airlines want to block many great pilots from joining their company because of a stupid, unwarranted, stigma then forget em'..... much greener pastures are out there.

I have loads of 121 experience, extensive 757/767 knowledge (I bring this up only as an example of complex aircraft experience vs. a CFI with 0 busts and 1400 hours in a C172), and a clean record of air carrier checkrides (135).... if they want to hold a private pilot oral and a CommAMEL practical bust against me, let them! I don't want to work for you anyway if all you do is look at me as a number. In fact, I had the DPE telling me how sorry he was to have to bust me, on the last item of the CommAMEL ride, all the way back to the airport (I did make a minor mess up, I'll admit it). But all the HR person sees is that number. Just like the nursing programs that only benchmark GPA as a factor (and colleges wonder why cheating is so problematic these days). I'd rather have a nurse who tired, failed, and then learned the correct way to administer an IV in training over a nurse who passed all of their tests because they knew how to cheat and boost the Almighty GPA.

And don't give me that "we need a way to weed out pilots" malarkey; if this was the case, then we wouldn't have Eagle giving a $5000 sign-on bonus. There is a true shortage, whether people want to believe it or not, and keeping an entire group of pilots out because of a "number" is just going to feed it.

I get on my soapbox because bonehead comments like that lead to the stigma and ultimately to the desperate actions taken by some (e.g. this topic).

To be clear though, I'm not condoning the action of lying by the person involved. I'd rather get passed over, because of this unfair stigma, then always look over my shoulder and wonder if today is the day they find out.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1346093)

Airlines are not really using a few 91 busts as a pilot quality weeding tool. They have been around a while and know how checkrides work. They're considering how you will look in the media after an accident.

Originally Posted by LucasM (Post 1346099)

What about disclosing your driving record? For example, I've been told to always disclose everything, which is fine. But I had a few tickets when I was a teen, and a few in the last few recent years but I went to driving school on most of them and my record I believe is decent (looking at it on a sheet of paper, that is). So how much would you actually tell about that?

Originally Posted by LucasM (Post 1346099)

What about disclosing your driving record? For example, I've been told to always disclose everything, which is fine. But I had a few tickets when I was a teen, and a few in the last few recent years but I went to driving school on most of them and my record I believe is decent (looking at it on a sheet of paper, that is). So how much would you actually tell about that?

Originally Posted by NCR757dxr (Post 1346085)

I have been called a great pilot by all of my CFIs (sunshine up my butt, maybe) but I also had commendation letters from the Chief pilot, a standards capt, and a few other guys indicating my skill (so maybe not sunshine). I've had others approach me in the halls at my old flight school saying they've heard good things about me as well. Guess what? I've busted a few rides. I hate it since I'm a perfectionist too. Who cares man! If the regional airlines want to block many great pilots from joining their company because of a stupid, unwarranted, stigma then forget em'..... much greener pastures are out there.

Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1346109)

@757 I totally agree with you being in the same position myself. Like RickAir said this pretty much has to do with the Colgan accident unfortunately.

Originally Posted by usmc-sgt (Post 1346138)

I must really stink at flying. No one has ever told me I was good.

Well I was awarded the distinguished hand flying cross....TWICE

Originally Posted by usmc-sgt (Post 1346138)

I must really stink at flying. No one has ever told me I was good.

Originally Posted by Joachim (Post 1346206)

Good boy.

Now let me see how long mine is...

Originally Posted by NCR757dxr (Post 1346210)

I figured comments like this would come up. Way to miss the point :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by NCR757dxr (Post 1346085)

So what...... this type of talk is the real issue. 9.9 times out of 10, check ride busts are not indicative of the quality of the pilot. The problem that many with bust(s) run into is the blatant ignorance from HR departments and the media fueled by public opinion.

I have been called a great pilot by all of my CFIs (sunshine up my butt, maybe) but I also had commendation letters from the Chief pilot, a standards capt, and a few other guys indicating my skill (so maybe not sunshine). I've had others approach me in the halls at my old flight school saying they've heard good things about me as well. Guess what? I've busted a few rides. I hate it since I'm a perfectionist too. Who cares man! If the regional airlines want to block many great pilots from joining their company because of a stupid, unwarranted, stigma then forget em'..... much greener pastures are out there.

I have loads of 121 experience, extensive 757/767 knowledge (I bring this up only as an example of complex aircraft experience vs. a CFI with 0 busts and 1400 hours in a C172), and a clean record of air carrier checkrides (135).... if they want to hold a private pilot oral and a CommAMEL practical bust against me, let them! I don't want to work for you anyway if all you do is look at me as a number. In fact, I had the DPE telling me how sorry he was to have to bust me, on the last item of the CommAMEL ride, all the way back to the airport (I did make a minor mess up, I'll admit it but learned a great lesson from it also). All the HR person sees is that number, however, because that is how they're programmed. Just like the nursing programs that only benchmark GPA as a factor (and colleges wonder why cheating is so problematic these days). I'd rather have a nurse who tired, failed, and then re-learned the correct way to administer an IV in training over a nurse who passed all of their tests because they knew how to cheat and boost the Almighty GPA.

And don't give me that "we need a way to weed out pilots" malarkey; if this was the case, then we wouldn't have Eagle giving a $5000 sign-on bonus. There is a true shortage, whether people want to believe it or not, and keeping an entire group of pilots out because of a "number" is just going to feed it.

I get on my soapbox because bonehead comments like that lead to the stigma and ultimately to the desperate actions taken by some (e.g. this topic).

To be clear though, I'm not condoning the action of lying by the person involved. I'd rather get passed over, because of this unfair stigma, then always look over my shoulder and wonder if today is the day they find out.