So the ones who have no failures are all cocky and complacent?

Just bring your FAA Airman file...everything is there...problem solved.

And your part 121 or 135 records if you worked for that company in the last 5 years. Dont want to be screwed by a dirt bag employer who didnt tell you about a PC bust. I was a victim of being let go from an airline about this issue. There is a lot of misinformation and arrogance on this post, so if you have a question about this please pm me.

So too many checkride busts are a career killer due in part to 3407. Thats understandable seeing how the media who knows everything runs wild with that. What really surprises me is how many people I know who have washed out of a formal 121 program and have gone on with little or no issue to find employment at other 121's. Are airlines not worried about some guy with a washout on his record burning a whole in the ground and the media not running wild with that?? "Pilot who wasn't good enough to fly at XYZ airline, was flying airplane for ABC Airline" Wouldn't one assume given the implications of that headline that it would be far more difficult to get a job with awashout rather than a couple busts working on their private ticket?

It is a far greater obstacle to overcome washing out of a 121 program than a few busts back in your private pilot/commercial days when one had 350hrs.....

Never had any checkride busts, but I've had two stage check failures a few years ago in 141 training. Any need for disclosing those?

Key word here is "wash out". Despite what many believe, I know pleanty of guys with a 121 failure that went on to other 121 gigs without a problem. I could be wrong, but im pretty sure it just takes time. If you bust something in training or recurrent, come back and pass, and then go years at said airline without an issue, im sure a future employer would see that and assume you just had a bad time. If you cant overcome it and get fired....that's a different story. Again, just my opinion.

You guys need to read the application . Does it say have you ever failed any check rides , stage checks or failed to complete training .
Every app is different. Its impossible to answer that question without more info .
That being said DO NOT panic that its a career ender . Honesty is always the best policy when answering application questions though . A company will accept a guy/gal with a slip up but wont tolerate lying especially after spending $ on doing your back ground then finding out you lied .

Agreed..................

I'm sorry, did I hit a nerve? I'm just speaking from personal experience. If you interpret that to mean those who have never failed a checkride must be cocky and complacent, you misunderstood.

I thought he had a legit simple question, how is that "hitting a nerve?"

Who rattled your cage Mr? Some people are way too sensitive on this forum. Is it that time of the month? I said that failing a checkride is a humbling experience and now I'm accusing everyone who has never failed a checkride of being cocky and complacent?
Get that chip off your shoulder and grow some skin.

^^^^^^I think we just discovered who has the hit nerve ;)

my cage is rattled and I have a chip on my shoulder because I asked a question? and you go off on a rant and say it's MY time of the month? Was I married to you once??

Yes, but you left me because I hurt your feelings and made you cry all the time. :D
To answer your original question, and Redman's, no I don't think everyone who has never failed a checkride is cocky and complacent. I used to be when I was learning until I busted a GA ride and it brought me back down to earth. I since saw the Chuck Yeager attitude in a couple of the students I instructed back in the day. A busted PPL or instrumnet checkride changed their attitude though. I think its a good thing to get out of the way during the early stages of a pilots career.
On the flip side, I have seen a couple of guys strut thier stuff because they have never failed a ride, only to wash out of thier first 121 gig.
Had those guys busted a checkride in a Cessna, they might have tried a bit harder.
Just my opinion. Doesn't apply to everyone. My point is a busted checkride isn't the end of the world and should never be hidden on an application. Whenever I interviewed and they asked me what happened I say I was young, cocky, over confident, and made a silly mistake because I got complacent. Lesson learned.

thank you :)

Is it bad to tell them you had a significant personal distraction that affected your performance (death in the family, wife left you, ect)? Or does that make it worse by sounding like an excuse? I busted a recurrent ride years ago because I should have called down and rescheduled but instead I tried to brave it and try and get it over with. Big mistake.

Sounding like an excuse may not be what makes it worse in that case. Wondering about poor judgement may. The interviewer's thought process could turn to: "would he still come in to work a flight in that situation if he did it for a checkride?"

I had the exact same thought, but then the learning point would have been he learned NOT to be complacent in such situations and to say 'enough' when the limit has been reached instead of trying to tough it out.

I'm wondering why it's taken 14 pages to say "admit all the **** you did, and move on" ... How hard was that...

You clearly haven't been around APC long.

start a thread that says "thank you flight XXXX for blinding me with your strobes as you rotated last night" and you'll be even more shocked :D

Just be honest people.

61.153(c)...

IMO it would be OK to discuss such a situation as long as you parlay that into a lesson learned. But don't make up a bogus sob-story that might get exposed for what it is...

What The H*ll Am I Reading....
 

I failed my CFI ride twice; the most subjective checkride out there. That makes me a bad pilot because of it? I should just give up because of it? A lot of ridiculous crap comes out of peoples mouths sometimes. Saying 4 checkride busts is a career ender and that someone just isn't cut out for the job is remarkably stupid. BUT that is the crap people like this have been force feed by the media and HR, so I really can't fault them.

If all the 4/5 bust guys are locked out of jobs (like they usually are), then that doesn't bode well for all the pilot error related incidents/accidents. In theory, all those guys/gals were "clean" in the eyes of the almighty HR department :rolleyes:

You obviously didn't read 13 of the pages, it is in there.....

Disclosing Checkride Busts
 

4 isn't a career ender its just going to be very very very hard to overcome case in point I'm living proof.

If you want to make likewise ridiculous comments like that then you might as well admit that if the 4 or 5 checkride bust pilots were flying in great numbers at the airlines then we would obviously have a much higher accident rate then right?
It kind of defeats your purpose to point out a leading post just to make your own similarly leading post :confused:

You are right..... just stooping to their level is all. Just showing that anyone can make ridiculous/inflammatory comments on an anonymous forum ;)

Imagine my relief to learn I work for a 'fancy regional!'