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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton (Post 86064)

yes you are...and someday you will finally hear the pop...

it's frightening how we as pilots never hold ourselves accountable for how we damage the industry. it's even more frightening that some people can't even see it either.

ps expressjet initially didn't allow gojets in the jumpseat. I've heard it's now changed, what a shame

My CA buddies don't let the SCABS ride. GOJETS is a cancer for our industry, we can;t let them grow

I will also say, speaking fo SCABS I hear CAL has a ton of SCABS anybody know if thats true?

Every individual ALPA MEC must deal with their scabs. Some allowed them to pay back dues/assessments.

Some have not allowed them to join ALPA.

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Originally Posted by groovinaviator (Post 86047)

By taking a free ride home I am in no way supporting what they do! And who the hell are you to judge anyone... Gojet, or anyone else?

This is why the young CRJ FO's are killing this industry. It's because you don't even know the damage you are causing. You ARE supporting them by taking their jumpseat or giving them your jumpseat. I suppose you wave to them in the terminal and buy them a beer on the overnight as well? The jumpseat is a privilege you extend to other professional aviators. By giving them the jumpseat or taking theirs you are validating their position as a "professional" on the same level as you. Call me crazy but I think that every AWAC pilot is a large step above any gojet pilot. Even you.

Saab-
CAL has their fair share of them. I believe they have the most of any major, with UAL and Delta in second.

I could be wrong, so don't burn me at the stake if I am.

The true source here would be the scab list, that is somewhere on this forum. I've seen it.

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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 86135)

I will also say, speaking fo SCABS I hear CAL has a ton of SCABS anybody know if thats true?

Truthfully, CAL has alot of scabs ( folks that crossed the line during a strike ) The make the folks at Gojet look like angels....in my opinion TSA got screwed up by management with the creation of Gojet. As soon as the Pilot body saw what was the intent of management their voted in a union to avoid being raked over the coals...From what little news I get the TSA holding management is not Happy with the union and proposal of a contract that they now wish they had accepted TSA's ALPA contract. Mr Hulas intended on ****ing two pilot groups ( pardon my french) with one stroke. I feel for the pilots at both Gojet and TSA and I hope that you both can stick it to him right where he would get it in a State Prison.

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Originally Posted by MWright (Post 85666)

That'd really show him boiler. Way to go.

Way to show your clout in the right seat. If I had a F/O who tried to do what you described, I would slap him, and put him off at the next stop.

I refused to fly a pax once as an FO at a previous 121 employer. The captain actually disagreed with me, but it takes two pilots to push back from the gate...and there is a reason for that. You both have to agree with how the flight is to be conducted prior to departure. The guy didn't bother to call the CP, he knew that I had a reasonable case in that situation.

I am a petty large guy with ground combat experience, so slapping me isn't an option for most people.

HAHAH nice I agree everytime a jumpseater came on board with one CA I had at Colgan the CA would alwasy ask me if it was ok I liked that a shows respect for the "crew environment". Those CA's that thnk they are the alimightly usually are a poor stick, or maybe they have a small stick hehe

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Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 85684)

Big words coming from you, Mr. Citation F/O. Do you even fly 121?

Yeah thats it, slap me...and see just who ends up getting pulled off the trip to do a carpet dance in front of the CP.

There is nothing unprofessional for making someone explain their actions while on the jumpseat, after all, they are a captive audience. Many RJ pilots have gotten the third degree from mainline crews in the past and this is no different; in fact, its much more pertinent. In exchange for the free ride the jumpseater can answer the questions or they can sulk and not talk - the choice is theirs. As the FO I could always refuse to fly stating that the presence of that jumpseater makes me uncomfortable and that they would compromise CRM and safety of flight...but I wouldn't do that because that is unprofessional.

I have a 'friend' at GoJet, who started employment after two rounds of furloughs at TSA. I've called him a replacement worker to his face and I would have no problem doing the same to anyone else with a GoJet ID. I don't believe in that internet toughguy stuff, and by God if I'm going to share a cockpit with a GoJet pilot they had better have a good explanation for their actions, because I'm damn sure going to ask those questions to their faces.

If you have a beef with that behavior, I might suggest manning up and saying something to me about it, or if you're into that internet toughguy/passive-aggressive stuff, contact Pro Standards...don't go running to the CP like a little girl.

I came to work for GJ because of FUKKKKKSSSS like you that started this bar lowering nonsense back in 1999 and no one has had the balls to say no to lousy work rules....lousy pay....and lousy quality of life that every single regional airline pilot has to deal with (horizon exepted). Why have we had to deal with them>?? BECAUSE OF PILOTS LIKE YOU BOILER UP.
Thanks for making me take a job that pays 56 an hour right after IOE instead of 19 an hour.....OH I FEEL SOOOO BAD FOR YOU.

PAYBACK IS A ***** AND YOU ARE ALL GETTING WHAT YOU DESERVE....YOU HAVE SCREWED YOURSELF.

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Originally Posted by magnum_man (Post 86293)

no one has had the balls to say no to lousy work rules....lousy pay....and lousy quality of life that every single regional airline pilot has to deal with

You work for Diet TSA, you assclown. Your work rules blow worse than Trans States' do.
(Did you all know that GJ ground classes run six days a week?)