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RJ Pilot 03-22-2013 04:21 AM


Originally Posted by Senior Skipper (Post 1377169)
No dog in this fight, but what's wrong with that? Who would you rather see in charge, and why?

CheckAirmans or instructors like they used to. They are able to determine if that candidate is "trainable" in the 121 world. But you see, the company going the cheapest route, decides to hire jr line pilots(FO's) with hardly no experience in the field to determine who's good or not. In the end, it saves company money by training the right candidate rather than hire someone that wont pass training like it has been the case many times.

The example that Embraer posted about the military pilot provides such flaw.

jumpseat2024 03-22-2013 04:27 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1377059)

Originally Posted by embraer (Post 1377032)
Two people in the hiring department, including the hiring manager had doubts about his ability and they were proved correct. It is their job to screen applicants to the best of their ability.

I'm sure he was not the first or the last applicant they evaluated in that way.

Nothing against our hiring manager, but really what business a 4yr FO has being hiring manager?

I thought he upgraded two years ago but was displaced recently...

Senior Skipper 03-22-2013 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1377266)
CheckAirmans or instructors like they used to. They are able to determine if that candidate is "trainable" in the 121 world. But you see, the company going the cheapest route, decides to hire jr line pilots(FO's) with hardly no experience in the field to determine who's good or not. In the end, it saves company money by training the right candidate rather than hire someone that wont pass training like it has been the case many times.

The example that Embraer posted about the military pilot provides such flaw.

The same check airmen who will spend all day talking about how easy we have it nowadays because when they got hired in 1946, they had 2500 multi and 1000 IFR?:rolleyes:

I don't think that the military example proves anything. If all my multi time was in a Cessna Skymaster, I would expect to be under a bit more scrutiny. Most people show up with time in a "regular" multi (non-centerline thrust). According to the story, this guy didn't. It occurred to the interviewer that he should probably be tested on his SE skills, which I think is a valid concern. Turns out he wasn't ready. How is that unfair?

There's a difference between an airline training department and a flight school.

Ultralight 03-22-2013 07:56 AM

I never understood why an airline would put you in a Frasca type training device to rest your ability. If you have type ratings and no busts on your 121 record, haven't you already proved that you are capable of making it through training and subsequent proficiency checks?

I rented a Cessna a few months back and scared myself to death. I have hundreds of hours teaching in the thing, but I flared way too high and was too fast to touch down. Had to go around.

Good job it wasn't on my interview!

embraer 03-22-2013 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by Senior Skipper (Post 1377406)
The same check airmen who will spend all day talking about how easy we have it nowadays because when they got hired in 1946, they had 2500 multi and 1000 IFR?:rolleyes:

I don't think that the military example proves anything. If all my multi time was in a Cessna Skymaster, I would expect to be under a bit more scrutiny. Most people show up with time in a "regular" multi (non-centerline thrust). According to the story, this guy didn't. It occurred to the interviewer that he should probably be tested on his SE skills, which I think is a valid concern. Turns out he wasn't ready. How is that unfair?

There's a difference between an airline training department and a flight school.

Finally somebody gets it. Smart man.

ERJ135 03-22-2013 09:14 AM

When I did my sim eval in 07' I had an AA instructor and we spent an hr and half training on call outs etc.. We did it in the F100, never flown a jet before but it was actually kinda fun. No problems

RJ Pilot 03-22-2013 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by Senior Skipper (Post 1377406)
The same check airmen who will spend all day talking about how easy we have it nowadays because when they got hired in 1946, they had 2500 multi and 1000 IFR?:rolleyes:

I don't think that the military example proves anything. If all my multi time was in a Cessna Skymaster, I would expect to be under a bit more scrutiny. Most people show up with time in a "regular" multi (non-centerline thrust). According to the story, this guy didn't. It occurred to the interviewer that he should probably be tested on his SE skills, which I think is a valid concern. Turns out he wasn't ready. How is that unfair?

There's a difference between an airline training department and a flight school.

Unfair because he already passed his eval. They made him go again throwing just for kicks, an engine failure.They should've thought about that BEFORE his eval, not after. I really don't care about his military background, that wasn't the issue there.

8hourrule 03-22-2013 09:42 AM

How Desperate is AE?
 
Any AE guys able to check a flight for me? 3767 ORD-ATL. Thanks.

AllisonRR 03-22-2013 09:59 AM

Not desperate at all.... they have been failing FOQ FO's left and right, then they send them home for weeks until they can re-schedule for retrain and re-check... Eagle is just awesome

Machwon 03-22-2013 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by 8hourrule (Post 1377476)
Any AE guys able to check a flight for me? 3767 ORD-ATL. Thanks.

What date? If today it is over sold by 1 showing 9 non revs, but only one has checked in and no one for the jump.


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