Dear United Mainline,
04-08-2013 | 09:00 PM
#71
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From: CRJ FO
There is always this little note at the bottom of the memo.
** Service Charges vary by distance and class of service used and are in
addition to the Base Segment Charge.
So would a coast to coast commute cost more that a shorter commute segment? Think of all the fun we have had getting refunds from united now, let the fun begin with this idea.
** Service Charges vary by distance and class of service used and are in
addition to the Base Segment Charge.
So would a coast to coast commute cost more that a shorter commute segment? Think of all the fun we have had getting refunds from united now, let the fun begin with this idea.
04-08-2013 | 09:39 PM
#74
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From: Taco Rocket Operator
Best thing you could ever do for me is deny me the jumpseat to get to work. I've got my commuter policy firmly in hand, so I'll just enjoy my days off. I can't drop a trip to save my life, so you will just be doing it for me!
That being said, I still don't understand the thought process of the regional pilot these days. I've been there, done that, and I would NEVER have thought of commuting to work for a regional. I simply didn't make enough money or have enough time off to make it possible. I moved 3 times with 2 regionals to make sure that I lived in base. The problem with working for a company that doesn't actually pay for seats, fuel, etc. that they fly is that you are at the mercy of the company that pays the bills. Everyone flying for a regional today knew it when they signed up. I certainly did when I was slogging around at the commuters making my $17k a year.
I'm still trying to figure out how you've decided that this is somehow the United PILOTS who are to be held responsible for the travel arrangements with their commuter partners. This is about the 4th time I've been treated to a "denial of jumpseat" threat (and sometimes actually denied the seat) by certain United Express pilots. Sorry, but this does nothing to make me feel threatened. As I mentioned above, not making it to work when I have a commuter policy in the contract is a blessing for me. Keep this in mind, however, when you are appealing for sympathy or action from the United pilot group. In the last decade my airline has shrunk literally in half. Most of my F/O's have been furloughed... many of them twice. During that time, the regionals have literally EXPLODED, flying larger and larger jets, getting hired with less time and less experience. It wasn't that long ago that you had to have several thousand hours of flying checks around before you could even THINK about applying to be a regional F/O for that $20k a year job. Some perspective has been lost over the last 10 years. Yet during all this time of watching more and more express pilots get hired with less and less time, flying more and more of my old routes, I never ONCE denied a UAX pilot the jumpseat. Never ONCE did I do anything other than offer to stow UAX pilots bags in the cockpit and welcome them on board.
It STINKS getting this charge thrown on our UAX pass travelers. I would list how many things Jeff and Glenn have done to mainline employees that STINK, but I don't have enough GB left in my data plan this month to list them all. It's a fight each and every day to push back against the crap that these guys steal from us. Would you like me to cost my pension for you for example??
Feel free to go crazy with fuel burn, denying UAL pilots the jumpseat, flying with the APU on, writing up questionable maint items, etc. etc. The beancounters at UAL are watching. And when they go to your management and say "well, your costs went up 25%. We are going to have to extract that from your contract", where do you think they will take that money from?
That being said, I still don't understand the thought process of the regional pilot these days. I've been there, done that, and I would NEVER have thought of commuting to work for a regional. I simply didn't make enough money or have enough time off to make it possible. I moved 3 times with 2 regionals to make sure that I lived in base. The problem with working for a company that doesn't actually pay for seats, fuel, etc. that they fly is that you are at the mercy of the company that pays the bills. Everyone flying for a regional today knew it when they signed up. I certainly did when I was slogging around at the commuters making my $17k a year.
I'm still trying to figure out how you've decided that this is somehow the United PILOTS who are to be held responsible for the travel arrangements with their commuter partners. This is about the 4th time I've been treated to a "denial of jumpseat" threat (and sometimes actually denied the seat) by certain United Express pilots. Sorry, but this does nothing to make me feel threatened. As I mentioned above, not making it to work when I have a commuter policy in the contract is a blessing for me. Keep this in mind, however, when you are appealing for sympathy or action from the United pilot group. In the last decade my airline has shrunk literally in half. Most of my F/O's have been furloughed... many of them twice. During that time, the regionals have literally EXPLODED, flying larger and larger jets, getting hired with less time and less experience. It wasn't that long ago that you had to have several thousand hours of flying checks around before you could even THINK about applying to be a regional F/O for that $20k a year job. Some perspective has been lost over the last 10 years. Yet during all this time of watching more and more express pilots get hired with less and less time, flying more and more of my old routes, I never ONCE denied a UAX pilot the jumpseat. Never ONCE did I do anything other than offer to stow UAX pilots bags in the cockpit and welcome them on board.
It STINKS getting this charge thrown on our UAX pass travelers. I would list how many things Jeff and Glenn have done to mainline employees that STINK, but I don't have enough GB left in my data plan this month to list them all. It's a fight each and every day to push back against the crap that these guys steal from us. Would you like me to cost my pension for you for example??
Feel free to go crazy with fuel burn, denying UAL pilots the jumpseat, flying with the APU on, writing up questionable maint items, etc. etc. The beancounters at UAL are watching. And when they go to your management and say "well, your costs went up 25%. We are going to have to extract that from your contract", where do you think they will take that money from?
04-08-2013 | 09:50 PM
#75
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From: Taco Rocket Operator
What's really funny is the pass priviliges have been used in the past to justify low wages at airlines........
04-09-2013 | 03:53 AM
#77
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From: Airbus button pusher
Travel benefits are not part of compensation.
Last edited by Saabs; 04-09-2013 at 04:23 AM.
04-09-2013 | 04:30 AM
#78
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From: 737
You gotta remember that the bean counters coming up with these charges are not crew members. They've never commuted. They sit in a cube. They only look at non-rev bennies as free loading employees wanting to go on a mini-vacation to Vegas or Hawaii to sit on the beach. Commuting crew members is the last thing on their mind. They think we're overprivilaged anyways because we can jumpseat and live a glamorous lifestyle flying to Des Moines. Welcome to the suck! (Again)
04-09-2013 | 05:38 AM
#79
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Everyone is panicing and making threats. One memo from an unknown source to an unknown recipient has been posted. Let's take a deep breath until we get something official. Then we go to war.
And to the disingenuous majority who think jumpseat/non rev wars don't work, Ask an ASA pilot why we're the only DCI carrier that gets full priority on our own metal. I suspect a lot of DAL pilots complained to their chief pilots about not being able to get to or home from work in late 2007 when DAL last threatened to "enhance" our non rev "benefits".
And to the disingenuous majority who think jumpseat/non rev wars don't work, Ask an ASA pilot why we're the only DCI carrier that gets full priority on our own metal. I suspect a lot of DAL pilots complained to their chief pilots about not being able to get to or home from work in late 2007 when DAL last threatened to "enhance" our non rev "benefits".
04-09-2013 | 05:52 AM
#80
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