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Not to pick at you, but so far I've seen suggestions to put pressure on the UAL pilots to fix this, and now ALPA. Why not put pressure on the people that actually signed off on this deal. Your MANAGEMENT?Originally Posted by atdhockey
Yeah to one day be in a position to correct these mistakes. I jumpseat everywhere so it's not a big problem to me but I still care about my friends who it does affect. I don't have the mindset of well it doesn't affect me so why should I care. That's what got us all here. It has to stop. We will see what the good ole boys at ALPA plan about this. Yes I know it's not in anyone's contract about this but they can put pressure against UAL. Since they represent both sides of the fence.
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I'm asking this because I don't know. Originally Posted by Ultralight
Non-rev to Cancun on your weekend off is a privilege. Paying to commute to your new domicile, becuase your original domicile was closed by your company is not a privilege in my opinion.
If your company closes your domicile, do they pay for your move? That should be a BASIC in everyone's contract.
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Depends on the carrier, some have it, some don't. Or some may have it, but it may not be a good provision, has weak language, etc.Originally Posted by gettinbumped
If your company closes your domicile, do they pay for your move? That should be a BASIC in everyone's contract.
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I'm not the one on here throwing the threats.
United Pilots are not here to fight your battles for you. You are not even employees of United Airlines. We are pretty full up fighting our OWN battles in case you didn't notice. What makes you think we are in a position to change this policy??????? That's YOUR MANAGEMENTS job. They negotiate the pass travel policy! Go talk to them! UAX flies more than 50% of our domestic passengers. I have no idea how many of you there are out there, but I wouldn't be surprised if you collectively outnumber us at this point. So how come YOU don't do anything about it?
Your recollection of the history of our contract is inaccurate, so I won't bother to go down that path with, but I find it ironic that in the same post you acknowledge that we were powerless against our management team to fix the inadequacies of our contract when it comes to pay, retirement, scope etc. but now think that miraculously we have some pull with management over fixing a travel policy gaff for employees of A DIFFERENT COMPANY.
I thought you said the race to the bottom was getting worse? You chastise regional pilots for taking jobs that mainline pilots voted away. You chastise regional pilots for being able to own a home now. You chastise regional pilots for getting paid a bonus to fly for a regional versus back in your time when you *paid the regional?* Originally Posted by gettinbumped
Not asking you to feel sorry for me. I'm telling you that regional pilots today have had it easier than at any time in the history of aviation. Name me another one and I'll shut up. It's a fact. Deal with it. I'm not the one on here throwing the threats.
United Pilots are not here to fight your battles for you. You are not even employees of United Airlines. We are pretty full up fighting our OWN battles in case you didn't notice. What makes you think we are in a position to change this policy??????? That's YOUR MANAGEMENTS job. They negotiate the pass travel policy! Go talk to them! UAX flies more than 50% of our domestic passengers. I have no idea how many of you there are out there, but I wouldn't be surprised if you collectively outnumber us at this point. So how come YOU don't do anything about it?
Your recollection of the history of our contract is inaccurate, so I won't bother to go down that path with, but I find it ironic that in the same post you acknowledge that we were powerless against our management team to fix the inadequacies of our contract when it comes to pay, retirement, scope etc. but now think that miraculously we have some pull with management over fixing a travel policy gaff for employees of A DIFFERENT COMPANY.
What?
I love listening to everyone say "You didn't take a stand!!" when their own group did not.
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Apparently mainline employees don't have to pay, just UAX regional partners. I jumpsat on ExpressJet the other day, and none of those guys had heard about it. Said something about it being in their CBA?...
Anyway, it's official at CommutAir as of last Friday to begin May 1. I feel bad for our FA's, many of whom commute and don't have jumpseat agreements with many carriers, including mainline United.
Correct. The Delta pilot (and the UAX pilot) who jumpseat don't pay. If the Delta pilot wanted to "non-rev" then he/she would have to purchase an ID90 or ZED fare. Originally Posted by Diver Driver
You don't pay to jumpseat, just to non rev. Apparently mainline employees don't have to pay, just UAX regional partners. I jumpsat on ExpressJet the other day, and none of those guys had heard about it. Said something about it being in their CBA?...
Anyway, it's official at CommutAir as of last Friday to begin May 1. I feel bad for our FA's, many of whom commute and don't have jumpseat agreements with many carriers, including mainline United.
UAL mainline pays for first class unless we are using a vacation pass. Coach is free. And that is in our contract.
I don't know the in's and out's of XJET's contract, but I can't imagine that their CBA would exempt them, as they don't have a contract with the body that controls the policy, i.e.: UAL. Unless XJET's management is going to pay the difference or can somehow convince United to exempt them.
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If your company closes your domicile, do they pay for your move? That should be a BASIC in everyone's contract.
They certainly won't pay for the house you can't sell so what's the point? Ugh...Originally Posted by gettinbumped
I'm asking this because I don't know. If your company closes your domicile, do they pay for your move? That should be a BASIC in everyone's contract.
Amazing as usual. 
Those who are holding the reins and whips give one group a little slap on the a$$. And it turns into a fight between the horses. I won't be affected yet by this but I'm sure my time is coming. You mainline guys will of course be welcome in my jumpseat with no attitude as always.
Those who are holding the reins and whips give one group a little slap on the a$$. And it turns into a fight between the horses. I won't be affected yet by this but I'm sure my time is coming. You mainline guys will of course be welcome in my jumpseat with no attitude as always.Quote:
What?
I love listening to everyone say "You didn't take a stand!!" when their own group did not.
This is a funny circular argument that was funny watch play out.Originally Posted by block30
I thought you said the race to the bottom was getting worse? You chastise regional pilots for taking jobs that mainline pilots voted away. You chastise regional pilots for being able to own a home now. You chastise regional pilots for getting paid a bonus to fly for a regional versus back in your time when you *paid the regional?* What?
I love listening to everyone say "You didn't take a stand!!" when their own group did not.
I heard MANY times whilst on a JS "you guys need to stand up for yourselves and fight for better pay and workrules!!!!!!!" Which is a valid point, ALL pilots need to do this.
But then it circles back around that the mainline pilot is disgruntled that the regional exists in the FIRST place. "if you're gonna be taking our jobs YOU need to make the crappy regional job better".
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Also keep this in mind, I can't tell you how many times during the BK's I'd hear or read a mainline pilot say how their going to deny regional pilots the jumpseat, that'll teach em!!!!!! You know, because they're "taking their jobs". Or to a lesser degree, using the jumpseat as lecture pulpit to and tell the regional pilot how they are personally responsible for the plight of the mainline pilot's disposition. Been there, done that, lot's of times. Sitting on the JS, listening to the CA or FO drone on and on about how the scope they gave away is now screwing them and I'm personally responsible.
You know, the act of a completely ignorant, infantile, and unprofessional individual. Surprisingly, it's NOT just a trait of one segment of this career.
I'm GLAD you fall into that category of being professional. But there's more than a few who aren't. If you've ever done JS committee work you'll know what I mean. And YES, it goes both ways.
Just curious, you bid off the 76 or did you get displaced off?
Hi xjtguy,Originally Posted by xjtguy
I agree. Making the statement that one will deny a JS'er because they feel the JS'er is PERSONALLY responsible for their plight is the act of a completely ignorant, infantile, and unprofessional individual. But keep in mind, it's just interwebz/message board posting. Or "internet tough guy" talk.Also keep this in mind, I can't tell you how many times during the BK's I'd hear or read a mainline pilot say how their going to deny regional pilots the jumpseat, that'll teach em!!!!!! You know, because they're "taking their jobs". Or to a lesser degree, using the jumpseat as lecture pulpit to and tell the regional pilot how they are personally responsible for the plight of the mainline pilot's disposition. Been there, done that, lot's of times. Sitting on the JS, listening to the CA or FO drone on and on about how the scope they gave away is now screwing them and I'm personally responsible.
You know, the act of a completely ignorant, infantile, and unprofessional individual. Surprisingly, it's NOT just a trait of one segment of this career.
I'm GLAD you fall into that category of being professional. But there's more than a few who aren't. If you've ever done JS committee work you'll know what I mean. And YES, it goes both ways.
Just curious, you bid off the 76 or did you get displaced off?
Sadly, I am keenly aware that many UAL pilots have and continue to treat UAX pilots badly on the jumpseat. This peeves me off, and I've given more than a couple of my F/O's a stern lecture about how they will treat our guests while they are riding on the airplane. In fact, it's probably 1% of the time that I've been treated with anything other than great hospitality on a UAX jumpseat.... and I'm sure that UAX pilots have a MUCH higher percentage of being treated badly by our CSR's, pilots, etc. It's embarrassing, and unbecoming of our pilot group. We can blather on the forums all we want, but I think both sides should keep the jumpseat open and welcome 100% of the time for a variety of reasons. Pilot on pilot crime. The worst type.
Got bumped off the 767 awhile ago, sadly. I really enjoyed my time on that fleet, and would have stayed for most of the rest of my career if I could have as my body doesn't enjoy the ultra long-haul. I've had my bid in to get back to the 757/767 since the day I got bumped off, but UAL has begun parking the 757's more aggressively so it looks like I may never see it again. Too bad, as it was the best airplane I've ever had the privilege of flying.
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Understood. =( Originally Posted by MoarAlpha
They certainly won't pay for the house you can't sell so what's the point? Ugh...
I thought I was being smart because I never bought a house while I was at a regional because I knew that there was just no stability in my job there. So I waited until I'd been at a major for awhile and upgraded to Captain. Finally closed on my house July 2001. How's THAT for timing. =( Lost it about a year later when I could no longer make the payments.
Best of luck to all of you guys. Sincerely. This new policy BLOWS.
