Dear United Mainline,
04-09-2013 | 08:04 PM
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04-09-2013 | 08:15 PM
#143
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Why do you think I don't understand the way this works? If you read my post you will see that I've been there, done that. You have a HOUSE PAYMENT?? When I was flying for my first regional I shared a one bedroom apartment with 3 other pilots. One of whom had a young son. At my second regional, I graduated to a 2 bedroom apartment which I shared with another pilot. And yes, it was a high cost area. That was just the way it was. You couldn't DREAM of buying a house while working at a regional. And you CERTAINLY couldn't dream of affording a crash pad AND a house.
If you've been hired at a regional in the past 10 years, you should do a quick search back into history and take a look at what it was like before that. Regionals are paying a SIGNING BONUS??? Man... back in the early 90's they wanted you to PAY THEM to come work for their crappy wages and work rules.
I have been saying for the past 2 decades that the increasing race to the bottom will eventually have an effect on the ability to fill the cockpit seats. So far it hasn't happened, but hopefully it will soon so that the working conditions in this business will turn around a bit.
I definitely am sorry that the costs of commuting are going up, and that once again Jeff is squeezing the employee turnip. But to come on here and threaten the United PILOTS (who had nothing to do with any of this) that you are going to deny them the jumpseat ON A ROUTE THAT YOU TOOK OVER FROM THEM is going to be met with little empathy.
If you've been hired at a regional in the past 10 years, you should do a quick search back into history and take a look at what it was like before that. Regionals are paying a SIGNING BONUS??? Man... back in the early 90's they wanted you to PAY THEM to come work for their crappy wages and work rules.
I have been saying for the past 2 decades that the increasing race to the bottom will eventually have an effect on the ability to fill the cockpit seats. So far it hasn't happened, but hopefully it will soon so that the working conditions in this business will turn around a bit.
I definitely am sorry that the costs of commuting are going up, and that once again Jeff is squeezing the employee turnip. But to come on here and threaten the United PILOTS (who had nothing to do with any of this) that you are going to deny them the jumpseat ON A ROUTE THAT YOU TOOK OVER FROM THEM is going to be met with little empathy.
04-09-2013 | 08:20 PM
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No problem. Watch for the laws of unintended consequences. You are threatening a group of people who are not responsible for you "woahs" and indeed have no power to change it. But when your next contract comes up and they are asking for more pay cuts from you because United's costs suddenly went up, it may not look like the best idea.
Of course, you should remember that these things work both ways. As I said, it matters not to me that I don't make it to work because a disgruntled RJ Captain doesn't want to take me. I've got a commuter policy in my contract. But deny me the jumpseat going HOME and it will be a different matter, especially since you are holding me responsible for something that Jeff did to you... not the United pilots. You have a LOOOONNNGGGG way to go to catch up to how much money that clown cost me. It's very easy for all of us to deny UAX pilots the jumpseat right back. You can go pay the $20 each leg in the back if you are lucky enough to get on (summer is coming). I hope you work for a regional with a union and a good commuter policy!
Now that I've written it... I would never do that. I don't take out my frustrations on poor management decisions on pilots. It's unprofessional.
Of course, you should remember that these things work both ways. As I said, it matters not to me that I don't make it to work because a disgruntled RJ Captain doesn't want to take me. I've got a commuter policy in my contract. But deny me the jumpseat going HOME and it will be a different matter, especially since you are holding me responsible for something that Jeff did to you... not the United pilots. You have a LOOOONNNGGGG way to go to catch up to how much money that clown cost me. It's very easy for all of us to deny UAX pilots the jumpseat right back. You can go pay the $20 each leg in the back if you are lucky enough to get on (summer is coming). I hope you work for a regional with a union and a good commuter policy!
Now that I've written it... I would never do that. I don't take out my frustrations on poor management decisions on pilots. It's unprofessional.
BTW, I have pass privileges on three airlines.
04-09-2013 | 10:13 PM
#146
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04-10-2013 | 01:26 AM
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WHEN you get bumped going home (because the disgruntled regional captain refused to "work the numbers" to get you on my weight restricted flight), be sure to cry to YOUR company and YOUR union how you got screwed. I bet it gets fixed pretty quick.
BTW, I have pass privileges on three airlines.
BTW, I have pass privileges on three airlines.
Hope that doesn't affect you on your way home either. That would be terrible. Maybe some of that string of express pilots I see from ORD to DEN or MCO will have to use all their extra pass benefits to get home. That is if they can find a mainline carrier pilot group they haven't pi$$ed off yet to carry them.
Here are my thoughts.
1. No one makes you commute. That means NO ONE. It is a choice and it has been part of the industry for a long time. If you didn't understand the possibile plus and minuses of commuting when you started that is not a mainline pilots fault.
2. Your base has been changed or closed. Again not a mainline pilots fault. You don't work for the mainline. You company bids for flying from every carrier in the US. You need to address you base concerns with your company. They bid the flying and move the basses. Again, not a mainline pilots fault.
3. Waste fuel. Good one. The majors never shuffle the deck with new carriers to replace the poor performing ones. Look at Mesa. They performed poorly and were replaced by Expressjet. Now Mesa is recalling and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't re-rise from tne ashes when the scope provisions kick in to fly more large RJ's. Please committ suicide with your FFD agreement. Perhaps the sooner your metrics get worse (not sure how that could be) UA can replace you. Not a mainline pilots fault that you don't understand that outsourced services are re-bid all the time. You are not doing yourself any favors by making your company less efficient.
4. If you decided to try to disrupt the operation by delaying flights. How would anyone know?
Finally I ageee the pass changes stink. However we too as mainline employees have had pass changed over the years. This world is full of changes. If you do not like the change YOU need to address it with YOuR management. Mainline pilots don't negotiate or do your dirty work for you. This issue is between the outsourced company and the mainline management. Should mainline pilots fight the battles for the cleaning crew that is outsourced when UA adjust their contract? Should the cleaners withhold cockpit trash bags in retaliation for mainline pilots not coming to join their cause?
There is a great deal of growing up that needs to take place in regional cockpits. I certainly hope some of this is being vetted in our hiring process. Maybe at least our crews can forward flights and dates where they were bumped or given hard times to the hiring team to weed those candidates from the stacks of applications.
I know I have sent emails and made phone calls regarding one SKYW Capt that I hope never gets a shot at UA. Surprisingly enough the pilot DID have an App in the stack. If he is hired I do hope we get to fly together. That would be great fun, for me at least.
04-10-2013 | 02:17 AM
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Great, you can use those benefits to ride someone else as I won't let you Jumpseat on my mainline plane either. We will be "wt restricted' also just like every other RJ out there that I have ever tried to Jumpseat on. In fact we may have too much cargo to fill the empties in the cabin except for our own non-revs. Just like the "we don't have ballast or its too small up here for a jumpseater in the cockpit of the RJ". You get to watch us depart just like we watch you.
Hope that doesn't affect you on your way home either. That would be terrible. Maybe some of that string of express pilots I see from ORD to DEN or MCO will have to use all their extra pass benefits to get home. That is if they can find a mainline carrier pilot group they haven't pi$$ed off yet to carry them.
Here are my thoughts.
1. No one makes you commute. That means NO ONE. It is a choice and it has been part of the industry for a long time. If you didn't understand the possibile plus and minuses of commuting when you started that is not a mainline pilots fault.
2. Your base has been changed or closed. Again not a mainline pilots fault. You don't work for the mainline. You company bids for flying from every carrier in the US. You need to address you base concerns with your company. They bid the flying and move the basses. Again, not a mainline pilots fault.
3. Waste fuel. Good one. The majors never shuffle the deck with new carriers to replace the poor performing ones. Look at Mesa. They performed poorly and were replaced by Expressjet. Now Mesa is recalling and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't re-rise from tne ashes when the scope provisions kick in to fly more large RJ's. Please committ suicide with your FFD agreement. Perhaps the sooner your metrics get worse (not sure how that could be) UA can replace you. Not a mainline pilots fault that you don't understand that outsourced services are re-bid all the time. You are not doing yourself any favors by making your company less efficient.
4. If you decided to try to disrupt the operation by delaying flights. How would anyone know?
Finally I ageee the pass changes stink. However we too as mainline employees have had pass changed over the years. This world is full of changes. If you do not like the change YOU need to address it with YOuR management. Mainline pilots don't negotiate or do your dirty work for you. This issue is between the outsourced company and the mainline management. Should mainline pilots fight the battles for the cleaning crew that is outsourced when UA adjust their contract? Should the cleaners withhold cockpit trash bags in retaliation for mainline pilots not coming to join their cause?
There is a great deal of growing up that needs to take place in regional cockpits. I certainly hope some of this is being vetted in our hiring process. Maybe at least our crews can forward flights and dates where they were bumped or given hard times to the hiring team to weed those candidates from the stacks of applications.
I know I have sent emails and made phone calls regarding one SKYW Capt that I hope never gets a shot at UA. Surprisingly enough the pilot DID have an App in the stack. If he is hired I do hope we get to fly together. That would be great fun, for me at least.
Hope that doesn't affect you on your way home either. That would be terrible. Maybe some of that string of express pilots I see from ORD to DEN or MCO will have to use all their extra pass benefits to get home. That is if they can find a mainline carrier pilot group they haven't pi$$ed off yet to carry them.
Here are my thoughts.
1. No one makes you commute. That means NO ONE. It is a choice and it has been part of the industry for a long time. If you didn't understand the possibile plus and minuses of commuting when you started that is not a mainline pilots fault.
2. Your base has been changed or closed. Again not a mainline pilots fault. You don't work for the mainline. You company bids for flying from every carrier in the US. You need to address you base concerns with your company. They bid the flying and move the basses. Again, not a mainline pilots fault.
3. Waste fuel. Good one. The majors never shuffle the deck with new carriers to replace the poor performing ones. Look at Mesa. They performed poorly and were replaced by Expressjet. Now Mesa is recalling and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't re-rise from tne ashes when the scope provisions kick in to fly more large RJ's. Please committ suicide with your FFD agreement. Perhaps the sooner your metrics get worse (not sure how that could be) UA can replace you. Not a mainline pilots fault that you don't understand that outsourced services are re-bid all the time. You are not doing yourself any favors by making your company less efficient.
4. If you decided to try to disrupt the operation by delaying flights. How would anyone know?
Finally I ageee the pass changes stink. However we too as mainline employees have had pass changed over the years. This world is full of changes. If you do not like the change YOU need to address it with YOuR management. Mainline pilots don't negotiate or do your dirty work for you. This issue is between the outsourced company and the mainline management. Should mainline pilots fight the battles for the cleaning crew that is outsourced when UA adjust their contract? Should the cleaners withhold cockpit trash bags in retaliation for mainline pilots not coming to join their cause?
There is a great deal of growing up that needs to take place in regional cockpits. I certainly hope some of this is being vetted in our hiring process. Maybe at least our crews can forward flights and dates where they were bumped or given hard times to the hiring team to weed those candidates from the stacks of applications.
I know I have sent emails and made phone calls regarding one SKYW Capt that I hope never gets a shot at UA. Surprisingly enough the pilot DID have an App in the stack. If he is hired I do hope we get to fly together. That would be great fun, for me at least.
Jumpseat wars no one wins here..We should have respect for one another and do our best to get everyone to where they wanna go..No one wins in a jumpseat war.
04-10-2013 | 02:23 AM
#149
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From: Lav EMB-145
Already been done, can't one hope for the best and expect the worse. I don't actually think any UAL guy is gonna give two squirts a **** about it but all I am hoping for is the management at UAL to change whatever route that is.
04-10-2013 | 03:14 AM
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Come on guys... Threatening "jumpseat retaliation" against other pilots because management chose to implement something we all dislike is stupid.
Threatening to blockout late, hurts the passengers and their travel plans, you wont be sticking it to Smisek either.
The one thing we can do to get around the fee is list for jumpseat or simply travel on other carriers. Hopefully UAL will come up with a remedy same as Delta by charging an annual fee rather than by flight segment. Until then we need to pull up our big boy britches and suck it up.
Threatening to blockout late, hurts the passengers and their travel plans, you wont be sticking it to Smisek either.
The one thing we can do to get around the fee is list for jumpseat or simply travel on other carriers. Hopefully UAL will come up with a remedy same as Delta by charging an annual fee rather than by flight segment. Until then we need to pull up our big boy britches and suck it up.
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