Dear United Mainline,
04-10-2013 | 08:27 AM
#181
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04-10-2013 | 08:52 AM
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Please go take Delta. They are ready when you are..... As to the jumpseat being weight restricted you have about as much information regarding whether or not we are at the stops as you I would trying to get on that RJ with the mysterious ballast / CG issue. So if you guys want a jumpseat war I am ready to play. If I am short O2 for the observer or perhaps those belts on the jumpseat look frayed it may mean the cockpit seat is unusable.
That is a byproduct of the outsourced industry. If you have ever seen a flight from South Florida to one of the UA hubs you will see hundreds of UA pilots that were once base in MIA. They commute because UA closed their domicile their after 9/11. Should the MIA commuters deny UAX jumpseaters because UA closed their base?
Cry me a river. All of us were hurt by 65 that were not already B777 or B400 Captains. During the past 5 years our ALPA group gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay COBRA for our furloughed pilots (rightfully so). I have supported and desire to help those furloughed from my company, while they were being replaced by guys in RJ's.
Didn't Pinnacle have long term contract with DL?
Let's play this out a little farther. You trash your operation and the UAL replaces you with the next lowest bidder, putting downward pressure on the RJ rates. So now your company doesn't have the UA contract and it can't get a contract elsewhere to cover that seat you are sitting in when the music stops. Now you are on the street looking for a job. Guess who is hiring? That company that took your contract and you can start over at first year wages at the new company....Ever see the movie called Go Jet? Slashing RJ wages doesn't hurt our mainline bargaining power. We have our own rates for 90 seaters and a contract that wil hopefully be protected. I think our pilot group will man up and hold the line when it comes to letting the camel any farther into the tent.
I suspect a majority of those complaints are from passengers that missed their connections after being delayed from a UAX flight. UAX handles at least 50% of our passengers during their travels according to the latest propaganda. I have friends that are 1K's on UAL and they drive from SMF to SFO to avoid the CF that is UAX.
Retiring is the last step for me. I still have several years so it will be awhile. However, you still have to get the get an interview, pass the interview and then start your job.
I wouldn't black ball all of you. I am not willing to paint all of you with the same brush. However, people that decide to misplace their agression against the UA pilots like yourself don't belong in a UAL cockpit. You are effectively hurting the group you want to work with. In fact how would you feel if you got that UA job, on probation and you are trying to get to work only be denied a jumpseat for a war declared by your former employer? You miss your trip, which I don't recommend you doing on probation. How would that make you feel?
Do whatever you want Tony C, and I will am sure the UAL pilots will do whatever we want in retaliation if you decide you are punishing our pilots for your problems.
That is a byproduct of the outsourced industry. If you have ever seen a flight from South Florida to one of the UA hubs you will see hundreds of UA pilots that were once base in MIA. They commute because UA closed their domicile their after 9/11. Should the MIA commuters deny UAX jumpseaters because UA closed their base?
Cry me a river. All of us were hurt by 65 that were not already B777 or B400 Captains. During the past 5 years our ALPA group gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay COBRA for our furloughed pilots (rightfully so). I have supported and desire to help those furloughed from my company, while they were being replaced by guys in RJ's.
Didn't Pinnacle have long term contract with DL?
Let's play this out a little farther. You trash your operation and the UAL replaces you with the next lowest bidder, putting downward pressure on the RJ rates. So now your company doesn't have the UA contract and it can't get a contract elsewhere to cover that seat you are sitting in when the music stops. Now you are on the street looking for a job. Guess who is hiring? That company that took your contract and you can start over at first year wages at the new company....Ever see the movie called Go Jet? Slashing RJ wages doesn't hurt our mainline bargaining power. We have our own rates for 90 seaters and a contract that wil hopefully be protected. I think our pilot group will man up and hold the line when it comes to letting the camel any farther into the tent.
I suspect a majority of those complaints are from passengers that missed their connections after being delayed from a UAX flight. UAX handles at least 50% of our passengers during their travels according to the latest propaganda. I have friends that are 1K's on UAL and they drive from SMF to SFO to avoid the CF that is UAX.
Retiring is the last step for me. I still have several years so it will be awhile. However, you still have to get the get an interview, pass the interview and then start your job.
I wouldn't black ball all of you. I am not willing to paint all of you with the same brush. However, people that decide to misplace their agression against the UA pilots like yourself don't belong in a UAL cockpit. You are effectively hurting the group you want to work with. In fact how would you feel if you got that UA job, on probation and you are trying to get to work only be denied a jumpseat for a war declared by your former employer? You miss your trip, which I don't recommend you doing on probation. How would that make you feel?
Do whatever you want Tony C, and I will am sure the UAL pilots will do whatever we want in retaliation if you decide you are punishing our pilots for your problems.
A few NYC guys decided to go off the reservation and just start denying JetBlue pilots the JS. You know, because those oh so high and mighty professional legacy pilots were so smart they determined that it was JetBlue pilots fault that they UAL pilots were in the position they were in. Nevermind the FACT that JetBlue was employing a ton of furloughed legacy pilots. Nevermind the FACT that JetBlue had an EXTREMELY liberal JS policy that allowed A LOT of UAL commuters (to include FAs) from places like Florida to get to JFK.
These UAL guys thought they were "gonna teach JetBlue a lesson". Where the UAL JS chair got about one report a month system wide about a denial, he started getting 3-4 a month just from JetBlue ALONE. The UAL JS comittee had to send out an email telling theor own guys to knock it the hell off.
Could you imagine if JB responded in kind? Could you imagine how many UAL pilots and FA's WOULDN'T be getting to work? I'll bet these SAME UAL pilots commuted on JB and were as nice as could be when asking for a ride.
So yeah, doesn't matter if its the mainline or UAX side. Be a "professional" and deny the Jumpseat because "that'll teach em". Keep all the fighting amongst the pilots and derail attention from management's imcompetence. Works EVERY time. Just keeps alive the saying that pilots are their own worst enemies.
Have at it, see how good it works, knock yourself out fellas......
Like I said a few posts back. It's just a bunch of insecure needle-dikced unprofessional ignorant pilots talking tough on an internet message board.
04-10-2013 | 09:57 AM
#183
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From: I'm Buying
First of all, yes, I do. Second of all, who's making life decisions? I plan to get out of here first opportunity I get, for precisely reasons like this. I don't even commute on UAL, and very rarely non rev on them, so really I have no dog in this fight, yet I fight for those that depend on it. What are you doing to solve the problem?
I agree 100% with you, I try to fight for the industry from top to bottom even if I have no dog in the fight. As far as this UAL / UAX BS there isn't much we can do. I have contacted a few people both mainline and within my company. Apparently no one wants to fight this yet...
04-10-2013 | 11:01 AM
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From: Happy
How I love it when mainline pilots talk down "regional" guys blaming them for the state of this industry...
Dear sir, do I need to remind you, you and only you created, voted this, sorry @ss industry into existence ? Sir, when you voted for this crap we now call reality I was in high school.. Nor did the then tprop captains at regionals ever get asked for their opinions. Thanks to your wonderful selfish voting behavior, those tprop captains are now year 15 captains on 70 and 90-seaters making 6 figures and I'm looking at a 6-7 year upgrade. Thank you sir! So thank you dear grandpa that I get to fly regional jets for 15 years now instead of turboprops for 5.. And you better believe it that in the meantime I will go out of my way to make this a great place to work.
Meanwhile I'm still in my 20s, on my 3rd airline, own a nice home, enjoy my QOL (oh no I didn't!) and our FA's are hot. Which is a good thing because ill be looking at them for at least another 5 years. Never a reality I asked for, just living in a bubble you and only you created. Trying to make the best out of it.
Meanwhile all our fo's are leaving for emirates and other places which after you retire hopefully will mean a actual shortage of ATPs allowing us to hopefully restore some of the damage done by you and yours. Back to you.
In other news: I will never turn down your JS request. Not the place and time to make a point. Enjoy flying on a product you created and you are personally responsible for. Welcome aboard.
Dear sir, do I need to remind you, you and only you created, voted this, sorry @ss industry into existence ? Sir, when you voted for this crap we now call reality I was in high school.. Nor did the then tprop captains at regionals ever get asked for their opinions. Thanks to your wonderful selfish voting behavior, those tprop captains are now year 15 captains on 70 and 90-seaters making 6 figures and I'm looking at a 6-7 year upgrade. Thank you sir! So thank you dear grandpa that I get to fly regional jets for 15 years now instead of turboprops for 5.. And you better believe it that in the meantime I will go out of my way to make this a great place to work.
Meanwhile I'm still in my 20s, on my 3rd airline, own a nice home, enjoy my QOL (oh no I didn't!) and our FA's are hot. Which is a good thing because ill be looking at them for at least another 5 years. Never a reality I asked for, just living in a bubble you and only you created. Trying to make the best out of it.
Meanwhile all our fo's are leaving for emirates and other places which after you retire hopefully will mean a actual shortage of ATPs allowing us to hopefully restore some of the damage done by you and yours. Back to you.
In other news: I will never turn down your JS request. Not the place and time to make a point. Enjoy flying on a product you created and you are personally responsible for. Welcome aboard.
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04-10-2013 | 11:20 AM
#187
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From: B777 Capt
How I love it when mainline pilots talk down "regional" guys blaming them for the state of this industry...
Sir, when you voted for this crap we now call reality I was in high school..
Did someone hold a gun to your head and force you into this career path?
Hot FA's? Good for you. Now take that to the bank and see what they give for that novelty.
04-10-2013 | 11:40 AM
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From: B777 Capt
Actually lad I did not get a vote for RJ's. My MEC voted and since you are a SKYW pilot you may be unfamiliar with how the union is set up. You work for a pilot group that refuses to join ALPA yet you want mainline ALPA pilots to support you.
You can blame me for your work conditions as I really don't care. I do hold a special place for several of your brethren at SKYW for some jumpseat antics over the years.
You've a long time to go in this industry. I certainly am happy to be on the latter half than in your postion.
04-10-2013 | 11:47 AM
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From: Happy
Actually my work conditions are pretty good for a "regional" I take pride in my work, which has a direct affect on united's bottom line. (Oh no I just said online I take pride in my work). I enjoy living in base and making the best out of it. (Omg i just said im pretty happy overall) There are so much more important things in life then this industry.
I'm just sad with the state of this industry with 36 more years till retirement.
I have met a couple of UAL guys who where absolutely nothing short of amazing guys, going completely out of their way to get me on, reminding me what this industry should look like.
Enjoy retirement. Slightly jealous..
I'm just sad with the state of this industry with 36 more years till retirement.
I have met a couple of UAL guys who where absolutely nothing short of amazing guys, going completely out of their way to get me on, reminding me what this industry should look like.
Enjoy retirement. Slightly jealous..
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