Dear United Mainline,
04-10-2013 | 03:44 AM
#152
Can't abide NAI
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
(one of our express guys was in shorts and sandals ... Captain caught him on the way out of the jet and he got a "briefing" 
)The OP advocating a JS war was stupid. Responding in kind is not a whole lot smarter.
Why not just admit these guys have a point? The conditions and benefits of their employment were unilaterally changed without their negotiation or consent. If the same thing happened to us, we would be upset and might try to get it changed, just like they are doing.
04-10-2013 | 03:58 AM
#153
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From: UAL retired
a) This sucks and we should all send a loud message to corporate that we don't like it, both UAL and UAX pilots alike.
b) By and large it won't affect most UAX commutes most of the time.
UA has unlimited jumpseat provisions in the pilot contract.
As long as there is no UAL commuter ahead of you on a full flight, the commuting UAX pilot simply says: "Please may I use the jumpseat?" and viola you are commuting to work sans charges. So the only time this is a problem is if you run into a moronic UAL guy that takes your jumpseat on a flight that is full except for one last seat in coach or two you have an evil and sadistic gate agent that claims the jumpseat isn't available. Hopefully either of those scenarios will happen rarely.
So let's recap . . .
The service charge does little to affect commuting UAX pilots, but it is horrific for FAs, and squabbling on the internet and denying each other jumpseats is pointless for both UAL pilots and UAX pilots.
Divided we fall; united we conquer.
P.S. I commuted from SFO to JFK and JFK to SFO for a brief period after bankruptcy and the company tried imposing "fees" at that time as well. It didn't last long . . .
b) By and large it won't affect most UAX commutes most of the time.
UA has unlimited jumpseat provisions in the pilot contract.
As long as there is no UAL commuter ahead of you on a full flight, the commuting UAX pilot simply says: "Please may I use the jumpseat?" and viola you are commuting to work sans charges. So the only time this is a problem is if you run into a moronic UAL guy that takes your jumpseat on a flight that is full except for one last seat in coach or two you have an evil and sadistic gate agent that claims the jumpseat isn't available. Hopefully either of those scenarios will happen rarely.
So let's recap . . .
The service charge does little to affect commuting UAX pilots, but it is horrific for FAs, and squabbling on the internet and denying each other jumpseats is pointless for both UAL pilots and UAX pilots.
Divided we fall; united we conquer.
P.S. I commuted from SFO to JFK and JFK to SFO for a brief period after bankruptcy and the company tried imposing "fees" at that time as well. It didn't last long . . .
04-10-2013 | 04:11 AM
#154
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Come on guys... Threatening "jumpseat retaliation" against other pilots because management chose to implement something we all dislike is stupid.
Threatening to blockout late, hurts the passengers and their travel plans, you wont be sticking it to Smisek either.
The one thing we can do to get around the fee is list for jumpseat or simply travel on other carriers. Hopefully UAL will come up with a remedy same as Delta by charging an annual fee rather than by flight segment. Until then we need to pull up our big boy britches and suck it up.
Threatening to blockout late, hurts the passengers and their travel plans, you wont be sticking it to Smisek either.
The one thing we can do to get around the fee is list for jumpseat or simply travel on other carriers. Hopefully UAL will come up with a remedy same as Delta by charging an annual fee rather than by flight segment. Until then we need to pull up our big boy britches and suck it up.
I'm not saying that there's one perfect solution on what to do but I know it's not nothing.
04-10-2013 | 04:28 AM
#155
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Minus the fact that UAL gate agents are notorious for hating to do jumpseat listings at the gate despite the fact that's the only method in existence. We used to be able to list online but that was taken away too for some reason, despite the fact all it did was save the gate agents time.
Also there is a limit on WebJump as to how many jumpseaters can be listed for a flight. So even if there are 100 open seats on the flight, it won't let the gate agent list more than X number (whatever the number is) of jumpseaters.
Lastly, how many times have you rushed for a commute. Or not even had to rush but known you land and have 45 minutes but because you're listed you you'll make it because your nonrev listing has cleared and there is a boarding pass waiting for you at the gate. Now what? Pay the $20 for a nonrev listing I guess since you're not going to find many gate agents willing to spend 3-4 minutes doing a listing for you while they're boarding Group 5. List for the jumpseat earlier in the day? WebJump won't let you do it more than 2 hours in advance.
So I'd venture to say this policy - if its true - does in fact effect UA Express guys greatly.
Also there is a limit on WebJump as to how many jumpseaters can be listed for a flight. So even if there are 100 open seats on the flight, it won't let the gate agent list more than X number (whatever the number is) of jumpseaters.
Lastly, how many times have you rushed for a commute. Or not even had to rush but known you land and have 45 minutes but because you're listed you you'll make it because your nonrev listing has cleared and there is a boarding pass waiting for you at the gate. Now what? Pay the $20 for a nonrev listing I guess since you're not going to find many gate agents willing to spend 3-4 minutes doing a listing for you while they're boarding Group 5. List for the jumpseat earlier in the day? WebJump won't let you do it more than 2 hours in advance.
So I'd venture to say this policy - if its true - does in fact effect UA Express guys greatly.
04-10-2013 | 04:38 AM
#156
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Blocking out late ect... Hurts the company you work for not UAL. If the performance numbers suck enough Gojetzzz is always there to under bid ya.
I hope this doesn't become the norm, and yes this new fee does hurt my commute as well. But I'll do what's in my power to help change it, already written emails ect.., but ultimately it's UALs decision and we all have to suck it up...
Last edited by Slats; 04-10-2013 at 04:52 AM.
04-10-2013 | 04:43 AM
#158
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From: I'm Buying
Come on guys... Threatening "jumpseat retaliation" against other pilots because management chose to implement something we all dislike is stupid.
Threatening to blockout late, hurts the passengers and their travel plans, you wont be sticking it to Smisek either.
The one thing we can do to get around the fee is list for jumpseat or simply travel on other carriers. Hopefully UAL will come up with a remedy same as Delta by charging an annual fee rather than by flight segment. Until then we need to pull up our big boy britches and suck it up.
Threatening to blockout late, hurts the passengers and their travel plans, you wont be sticking it to Smisek either.
The one thing we can do to get around the fee is list for jumpseat or simply travel on other carriers. Hopefully UAL will come up with a remedy same as Delta by charging an annual fee rather than by flight segment. Until then we need to pull up our big boy britches and suck it up.
04-10-2013 | 04:46 AM
#159
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04-10-2013 | 04:46 AM
#160
Can't abide NAI
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 12,078
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
a) This sucks and we should all send a loud message to corporate that we don't like it, both UAL and UAX pilots alike.
b) By and large it won't affect most UAX commutes most of the time.
UA has unlimited jumpseat provisions in the pilot contract.
As long as there is no UAL commuter ahead of you on a full flight, the commuting UAX pilot simply says: "Please may I use the jumpseat?" and viola you are commuting to work sans charges. So the only time this is a problem is if you run into a moronic UAL guy that takes your jumpseat on a flight that is full except for one last seat in coach or two you have an evil and sadistic gate agent that claims the jumpseat isn't available. Hopefully either of those scenarios will happen rarely.
So let's recap . . .
The service charge does little to affect commuting UAX pilots, but it is horrific for FAs, and squabbling on the internet and denying each other jumpseats is pointless for both UAL pilots and UAX pilots.
Divided we fall; united we conquer.
P.S. I commuted from SFO to JFK and JFK to SFO for a brief period after bankruptcy and the company tried imposing "fees" at that time as well. It didn't last long . . .
b) By and large it won't affect most UAX commutes most of the time.
UA has unlimited jumpseat provisions in the pilot contract.
As long as there is no UAL commuter ahead of you on a full flight, the commuting UAX pilot simply says: "Please may I use the jumpseat?" and viola you are commuting to work sans charges. So the only time this is a problem is if you run into a moronic UAL guy that takes your jumpseat on a flight that is full except for one last seat in coach or two you have an evil and sadistic gate agent that claims the jumpseat isn't available. Hopefully either of those scenarios will happen rarely.
So let's recap . . .
The service charge does little to affect commuting UAX pilots, but it is horrific for FAs, and squabbling on the internet and denying each other jumpseats is pointless for both UAL pilots and UAX pilots.
Divided we fall; united we conquer.
P.S. I commuted from SFO to JFK and JFK to SFO for a brief period after bankruptcy and the company tried imposing "fees" at that time as well. It didn't last long . . .
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