I remember that. However, there was brief period of time when UAL STILL had the "only as many JS riders allowed as seats installed" that almost every other legacy did at the time.

So for an offline guy it could suck. UAL pilot doesn't want to pay to ride, and that's fine, so he OMC's. Offline pilot shows up for an OMC and gets denied because that single JS 757 with 30-40-50 open seats already has an OMC.

It was a minority of the time that a CA would waive it, that's assuming the offline pilot could ACTUALLY get past the agent and down to the cockpit to talk to the CA.

Thank god it went unlimited.

 

When I was at Mesaba during years 05 - 06ish NortLeaving nowhwest tried this as well. If I remember correctly, there was a cutoff point where some of the senior people were grandfathered in and didn't have to pay it. Makes sense right? Make the $22.00 an hour guy pay it

 

I don't work for Republic

 

UAL knows the commuters will pay it. Will the (for example) ORD based person who lives in the Albany,NY area move? No. Are they going to drive to ORD? NO. They will P&M, but will pony up the loot. Petty on UAL,yes. Furloughing to farm out to regional carriers only to have the furloughees work for the very mainline-regional that put them on the street confirms their confidence in their decisions. They would save money and make more revenue by flying the most efficient size aircraft and staffing it appropriately. CRJ's that are plagued with maintainance and W&B issues into a filthy ORD gate,do not seem to be the way to go IMO.

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And you'll have to explain to your chief pilot why you claimed your plane was weight restricted when it actually wasn't. I never have that problem. I don't have to fake it. But you go ahead and do your worst tough guy. I'll just take Delta.

Really? I understand the plusses and minuses. I also own a house that is worth less than I owe, and would have had to move 5 times if I followed bases at this company. But nevermind, you answered your own question below.

Not the mainline pilots fault, but yes mainline management's fault. They create startup regional carriers who work for peanuts in order to make me "compete" with them in order to lower their costs (and pay you better bonuses). So my company has to re-bid every few years and all the bases get realigned. [sarcasm on] So sorry I don't work for mainline. I really enjoyed the extra 5 years I've spent at a regional while you greedy boomers rewarded yourselves with 5 extra years at the top of the pay scales. [sarcasm off]

My regional has 5-15 year contracts. Not going away any time soon. Predictably, you have no idea what you're talking about. And wasting fuel affects your management, and YOUR profit sharing. Saving fuel gets me nothing. Plus, how short sighted of you to hope I get replaced with my contract and benefits near the top of the regional industry. My replacement will work for half what I make, and put more downward pressure on your contract. Duh.

Ask the DOT complaint department. I read in the paper that they're very familiar with your airline.

I have addressed it with my management. They said "We don't control the pass privileges, we have no choice. Thanks For All You Do". The only ones that can change it are your management. The only way to get their attention is to cost them money and labor problems. Get it now?

There's a great deal of retiring that needs to happen in your cockpits.

Go ahead and blackball all of us. In a few years anyone with a pulse will get a class date after you geezers medical out and no one else wants this job.

 

Glad you get it. I'm sorry if their guys get hurt in the process, but our management has told us they are powerless to change this. Do you have any better suggestions to get the attention of the decision makers at UAL and motivate them to fix it?

 

Again, our management repeatedly says they have no control over passes and washes their hands of it. Now what?

 

I second this! This is why the race to the bottom will NEVER end and why this fee will work against regional pilots...

 

I've got nothing that you would not have already thought of.

Could a NMB complaint be made that this is a unilateral change in pay and working conditions and thus a violation of status quo? Might be a reach, but postage is cheap. I'd think ALPA would be the pilots' friend on this one. Resolution by acclimation at the next LEC meeting if the MEC does not find sufficient motivation on its own?

It has been my experience (although I do not understand how it works) that quite a few express employees get positive space when flights get tight at Delta. At the end of the day management does have an interest in seeing that pilots end up at the same place their airplane is. As stated in an earlier post, park an RJ on a first flight and the phone is going to start ringing somewhere.

With network and marketing playing musical RJ's every single month, no one can realistically expect a family to move around the country to keep up. Often these are very temporary assignments. No other business (aside from migrant farm workers) expects this of their employees. This is one area where I hope the new ATP rules will increase the value of the pilot to their employer.

 

If your management is saying they have NO control and they negotiate THE FFD contract with UAL, what makes you guys think denying UAL pilots the jumpseat will the arm of UAL management?

I suspect your management is only telling you they can't do anything. In most respects they are not willing to DO anything. And in return the lever you guys are choosing to employ is to kick off the UAL pilots and cost yourselves money and sabotage the operation. Talk about misguided agression.