Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1396818)

Legacy versus a new LCC. Completely different apples to oranges comparison. You cannot compare a 53 airplane airline to a 700+ airline legacy. And IF you are going to do that kind of comparison, then find me the most junior Captain at Delta. Most junior CA at VX is a Feb 2010 hire, and this individual does better than a Feb 2010 DOH at Delta, who is bottom barrel reserve FO.

But you can't make that comparison because the scope is entirely different. 53 airplanes versus 700. A more realistic comparison is with other LCCs. Spirit has about 50 airplanes. Allegiant has around the same number, I think a little more. Frontier has around 55 airplanes. JetBlue is bigger at 150+, but still within the same scope. Compared to THESE airlines, which are representative of the flying VX does, VX is right in the middle of the pack, arguably right behind JetBlue.

Now compare all that to the regional level, where you are directly competing with other regionals, within the same size and scope of flying. All key regionals these days fly the same kind of RJs, in approx. the 100-250 airplane size, and are cutthroat competition with each other to secure flying. That is an entirely different animal in comparison. If Frontier takes a paycut, Delta management doesn't tell Delta to take a paycut or lose flying. However when 9E voluntarily takes a paycut, I guarantee you Delta will force SkyWest/ASA, XJT, GoJet and every other DCI carrier out there to match the new 9E or be forced cuts. It's YOUR colleagues who are now gloating about getting new CRJ-700 flying. All made possible due to the paycuts you took. This isn't even an example of throwing stones from a glass house. This is just pure stupidity trying to throw a baseless attack that isn't on the same scale. You want to compare VX, compare it to LCCs because that's what VX is. It is unrealistic to compare it to a 700 airplane legacy.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1396829)

Then why vote yes if you have an alternate source of income.


False. All of my flight training (Private, Instrument, Commercial, Multi) was obtained from local mom/pop airport FBOs throughout the country (moved during flight training for school and job). But please, don't let facts get in the way of a good bashing. I didn't come to 9E for a 'quick upgrade.' That would have been you in the timeframe you were hired. When I was hired, there were no new planes, just stagnation.

Originally Posted by MunkyButtr (Post 1396916)

Training that your parents paid for. Do you even pay your own rent? You never get old man. Same ol shy.

Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs (Post 1396947)

Shy, I hear what your saying, but win lose or draw, this is "good news" for the guys that are there. It will buy guys time at the very least

Originally Posted by 8hourrule (Post 1396960)

it will also put about 250 Comair guys on the street. Again.

Originally Posted by 8hourrule (Post 1396966)

The ones that are at GoJet. They are at GoJet because they cost more than their "peers".