flysooner9

Been lurking around here for about 8 years.

avi8tor220

I hear ya man. I'm all for standing up and unity and crap. But that ship has sailed. You don't even see it in the major ranks. I just ask, we are not different than any other regional carrier. We are all here to do the same job and move on and provide for our families. Don't bash and swipe a broad brush at a group of pilots. Isn't that the first bluff in this game?

gojo

Good post, you responded better than I did earlier. Regrettably I let him get under my skin yesterday. It's getting old listening to all the couch quarterbacks on here, especially the junior ones to this game. The railway Labor act and other bankruptcy laws makes it impossible to fight a company through a bankruptcy process. The only option I felt like we had was to act with our feet and leave. Either way it's a win win for Delta.

pitchtrim

I'm curious to know what would have made you guys vote no? Given the same scenerio of go belly up or bend over, how far would you guys bend over? Now I understand everyones situation is different and some of you have families and so on, so I can't judge. My lifestyle would personally make a no vote easy, but that's irrelevant. How much are we as a group willing to give up?

Bucking Bar

Yep ... it's dead.


Oh, wait a minute, that's a cow.

tom14cat14

I would probably fly for about 2 bucks a year. I would take capt of a 747 for $35 a year. Would be willing to negotiate that rate as long as I get my picture on the cover of the in flight magazine. (For those who can not detect sarcasm this is it) This topic has been talked about enough in my opinion. No one really knows how far they will really go until they are put in that position to choose.

ShyGuy

flysooner does have a point. Remember, the threat from Delta was that the entire 9E operation would winddown with one year, and that they have other carriers selected for that flying. There are two things wrong with this. One, you cannot take nearly 200 airplanes out of the DCI system in one year or less. Their threat would be more credible if they gave a longer time specification. But one year is unrealistic, and looking at past history with Comair, a slow dismantling is what would need to happen to remove a huge airplane fleet. And two, where do they think they would get 2,700 pilots in one year to replace these jets at the new company? Maybe 500-700 junior guys will follow the planes, but I have a had time believing RJ Captains will follow the planes to be back on reserve as FO at the new company. Simply put, with the ATP rule going into affect 3 months, there just wouldn't be enough people coming through the pipelines to staff over 180 airplanes in that timeframe. Therefore, it was a bluff. Realistically speaking they could not have done what they were claiming to do in that timeframe.

BIGRIG

Oh darn. Where were you during the vote? I could have used your wisdom.

block30

Weren't other DCI carriers hiring at a steady clip until the vote took place and Pinnacle would survive? I thought at that point, the hiring suddenly and simultaneously stopped. It seems to me other places were staffing up to be ready for the fall out.

ShyGuy

Do you really think other regionals will attract ATP-rated 1,500+ hr pilots to fly for $23k a year? And even if they do, you think they will get enough of these applicants to fill RJ FO seats?