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Ftrooppilot 05-19-2013 07:21 AM
Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1411981)
Obviously better pilots fly bigger airplanes. Haven't you seen the chart?

http://s7.postimg.org/5rcih8ka3/Skills.jpg
There may be some F-22, U-2, and FA-18 pilots that disagree with this. :)

Skypilotsv1984 05-19-2013 07:34 AM
I thought that heavy RJ drivers would be far superior to DC-9 and Mad Dog drivers. This graph suggests otherwise. Were they not the "chosen ones"?

Bartok 05-19-2013 08:16 AM
Originally Posted by Skypilotsv1984 (Post 1412135)
I thought that heavy RJ drivers would be far superior to DC-9 and Mad Dog drivers. This graph suggests otherwise. Were they not the "chosen ones"?
DC-9 drivers are not pilots, they are wizards!

Gearswinger 05-19-2013 09:40 AM
You are all ridiculous. Being a pilot isn't some special skill, there are millions of us. We don't create anything, or improve the world, we guide a hunk of metal from point A to B. If you are farther along in your career, it's not because you are better, it's because you got into this at a particular time and those above you either. Moved on, quit, or died. This isn't a field where promotions are based on merit, but one where you WILL move up if you put up with enough crap and don't quit.

Avroman 05-19-2013 10:51 AM
Originally Posted by Gearswinger (Post 1412212)
You are all ridiculous. Being a pilot isn't some special skill, there are millions of us. We don't create anything, or improve the world, we guide a hunk of metal from point A to B. If you are farther along in your career, it's not because you are better, it's because you got into this at a particular time and those above you either. Moved on, quit, or died. This isn't a field where promotions are based on merit, but one where you WILL move up if you put up with enough crap and don't quit.
Tell that to the guys at Comair.

ShyGuy 05-19-2013 10:55 AM
Originally Posted by Skypilotsv1984 (Post 1412135)
I thought that heavy RJ drivers would be far superior to DC-9 and Mad Dog drivers. This graph suggests otherwise. Were they not the "chosen ones"?
CRJ-700/900 are 2-2 in coach as are the E170/175s. The DC-9 was 2-3 in coach and so are the Mad Dogs. So, those are bigger and therefore better pilots than the RJs.


There may be some F-22, U-2, and FA-18 pilots that disagree with this.
This is a civilian chart, being that this is the regional section of Airline Pilot forums.


I highly doubt it is a linear relationship. Who did the research for this graph?
It is a linear relationship. I went from flying a 50 seat RJ to a 149 seat Airbus, and my skills have gone up 3 times over. 50 seats x 3 = 150, so yes the linear relationship works. I am now 3 times better than I was when flying the RJ.

higney85 05-19-2013 11:03 AM
So shyguy,

Since you are posting in the "regionals" forum, are you still a regional pilot (on the "super -RJ") or should we feel privelaged to be graced with your presence as you are "mentoring" us?

vilcas 05-19-2013 11:04 AM
Originally Posted by Gearswinger (Post 1412212)
You are all ridiculous. Being a pilot isn't some special skill, there are millions of us. We don't create anything, or improve the world, we guide a hunk of metal from point A to B. If you are farther along in your career, it's not because you are better, it's because you got into this at a particular time and those above you either. Moved on, quit, or died. This isn't a field where promotions are based on merit, but one where you WILL move up if you put up with enough crap and don't quit.
So true which is why you should never compare Pilots to Doctors!!!!!!!! This is also why pay is always going to be low and the answer by the industry is to design better aircraft that way they can get away with more incompetent pilots. Eventually even the pilots will go away. Enjoy it while it lasts and make sure to remind people how you have more lives under your care than a doctor.

Gearswinger 05-19-2013 11:28 AM
Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 1412248)
Tell that to the guys at Comair.
The point still stands, Comair guys' skill had nothing to do with that place surviving or folding. If your airline goes under (which 9e may very well do before I ever see the left seat), you get to start all over again. Your skills have nothing to do with moving up, it's all just hanging around long enough.

whoareyou311 05-19-2013 11:29 AM
Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1412252)
CRJ-700/900 are 2-2 in coach as are the E170/175s. The DC-9 was 2-3 in coach and so are the Mad Dogs. So, those are bigger and therefore better pilots than the RJs.



This is a civilian chart, being that this is the regional section of Airline Pilot forums.



It is a linear relationship. I went from flying a 50 seat RJ to a 149 seat Airbus, and my skills have gone up 3 times over. 50 seats x 3 = 150, so yes the linear relationship works. I am now 3 times better than I was when flying the RJ.
That's a flat out lie...your skills have not gone up flying a much more highly automated aircraft than the CRJ. The airbus takes the pilot out of the equation. The CRJ requires more input from the pilot. I have flown with pilots that came from the airbus to the CRJ and they struggled with even the simplest of tasks. So therefore your statements are incorrect.


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