Please include the fact you all have VERY LOW LONGEVITY. (I believe something like less than a 1-2 years at Mesaba--correct?)

We are not talking about guys who were furloughed with 8 years longevity and stapled. However the point is the ALPA MERGER policy was followed and that DOES NOT state that a furloughed pilot will be stapled.

Not exactly.....


However the CAL Merger SLI opener was "Staple all 1473 furloughs"

Dumb move by them to say that (1) and the most important part is the fact they failed at following ALPA MERGER POLICY.


Think of it as sticking the fork back where it came from!

Remember when furloughed XJ pilots came to 9E with their appropriate longevity credit? Those furloughees came with full (2nd year for some) pay/vacation/sick credit? And then the 9E union told 9E pilots that sorry, we couldn't get you a realignment of pay at class date (versus sim date). Yeah, thanks! Thank you for fighting for XJ furloughees and giving the 9E guys a cold shoulder. No wonder Wychor and gang won the union elections. You know it's bad when your airline pilots vote another airline's union members in to represent them.

Yeah but we know both sides opening acts will be ridiculous.....

No. 9L and XJ opening were not ridiculous, but 9E's was.

I'm talking about the united/cal one. On another note, were the 9E guys not willing to budge? Are they hated in the crew room?

9E was not really willing to budge. They stuck with category/class methods that basically ignored reality. In the end, they proposed categories RJ CA, RJ FO, Prop CA, Prop FO, so basically wanted to staple Colgan.

As for hating in crew rooms, I hear the crew room banter is getting bad in DTW especially. However, only 3 people were responsible for this mess and they were on the 9E merger committee. The rest of the 9E group were basically victims to the proposals put out by these 3. I think at this point the most vocal/****ed off guys are talking with their feet and have already left or are in the process of leaving.

ALPA committees do what their MEC asks them to do.

True, so I'll include these MEC members as well in the guilty party. Again, there's a reason 9E pilots voted Wychor and gang in to represent the net 9E group.

"Wychor and gang" as you put it won the election because they were the best people for the job. A large portion of the PCL MEC was a train wreck for a very long time....why would the pilot group want that mess in the newly formed MEC?