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mooney 04-18-2013 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by Sunvox (Post 1394095)
I have zero skin in the game and all I can say is I think the solution was fair and equitable.

OK. so is there any single individual that read that and said "you changed my mind"?

PM me and I will PayPal you $100 if you agree.


Seriously, you can ask the guy that gets $100 if I actually paid him/her because I will publish the winners user name. . .

but I hope the winner would honestly have changed their mind although I realize it's probably not true.

can we change our mind back after the $100 is received?

ShyGuy 04-19-2013 09:46 AM

Ha!

It might have been fair and equitable if there weren't such windfall type conditions and restrictions.

Seggy 04-19-2013 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1394392)
Ha!

It might have been fair and equitable if there weren't such windfall type conditions and restrictions.

How do you figure it was a windfall?:confused:

fatsopilot 04-19-2013 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by Seggy (Post 1394400)
How do you figure it was a windfall?:confused:

There isn't a single plane left on property that was operated by pre-merger Colgan. Yet at least half of the pre-merger pilots from Colgan are still captains. If that isn't the definition of a windfall then what is?

Seggy 04-19-2013 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by fatsopilot (Post 1394427)
There isn't a single plane left on property that was operated by pre-merger Colgan. Yet at least half of the pre-merger pilots from Colgan are still captains. If that isn't the definition of a windfall then what is?

I'd call that a good presentation by the Colgan Merger Committee.

Sonny Crockett 04-19-2013 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by Seggy (Post 1394429)
I'd call that a good presentation by the Colgan Merger Committee.

I call it a good job.....

ShyGuy 04-19-2013 10:51 AM

It is a windfall. Having a one-way fence where Colgan is protected to 193 CA seats on the Q and no XJ/9E can bid those, meanwhile Colgan Q CAs can bid to the RJs and keep reducing their quota number of 193 as they come off the Q400 onto jets. If this cycle continued and the Qs stuck around, you'd have a constant flow where current Q Captains at Colgan bid over to the jets, and they could only be replaced by Colgan FOs because the quota of 193 wouldn't be met.

That's a windfall, pure and simple. A one-way fence for no reason. And it wasn't a good presentation by the Colgan committee, it was the 9E committee that completely f'ed up and Bloch punished the 9E group by keeping them off the Qs AND the Saabs, since 9E pretended like all the Saabs didn't exist. Idiots.

Seggy 04-19-2013 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by Sonny Crockett (Post 1394433)
I call it a good job.....

Yes, I stand corrected, a great job by the CJC Merger folks.

Seggy 04-19-2013 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1394436)
It is a windfall. Having a one-way fence where Colgan is protected to 193 CA seats on the Q and no XJ/9E can bid those, meanwhile Colgan Q CAs can bid to the RJs and keep reducing their quota number of 193 as they come off the Q400 onto jets. If this cycle continued and the Qs stuck around, you'd have a constant flow where current Q Captains at Colgan bid over to the jets, and they could only be replaced by Colgan FOs because the quota of 193 wouldn't be met.

From what I remember it wasn't a one way fence. Colgan needed to have 193 Captain slots but if we got more Q's then those slots would have been opened to ANYONE. Remember at the time of the talks, the Q was the next greatest thing since sliced bread for PCL Corp.

usmc-sgt 04-19-2013 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by Seggy (Post 1394440)
Yes, I stand corrected, a great job by the CJC Merger folks.

They are some real stand up guys. I owe them a beer.


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