Flying Magazine's Day in the Life of RJ Pilot
#111
Flies for Fun
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From: CE-172 Heavy
This is just like automation in the flight deck. It should be there to reduce the workload but not there to be used as a crutch. Cruise control is there to give your legs a little relief from holding 79 constant. To me all this technology of cars parking themselves (check out Audi with the mobile phone app) and whatever else is heaven sent for those who cannot stay off their phones.
I am sorry but not to bust on you, if I don't want to drive, I much rather use the train or some other mode of public transportation. I have a car to drive and not the other way around.
I am sorry but not to bust on you, if I don't want to drive, I much rather use the train or some other mode of public transportation. I have a car to drive and not the other way around.
#112
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This article was written by a guy with a better way with words than some long time contributors to flying. Flying, like any other magazine, has a way of getting out of touch with what's really going on in aviation from time to time.
We've had engineers, surgeons and a 767 pilot that's part of the chosen generation. Martha is always entertaining to read because she's so full of life, but it's hard for me to relate to her.
Honestly, I'd like a regional pilot with a positive outlook on things to have a regular monthly column, and a salaried position with the magazine. I may not be as positive as this writer, but he's the face of what's really going on. I'd like to read more from this guy. Martha's breakthrough article was much the same, a contribution that recieved a lot of praise, and she was given a column shortly thereafter.
Maybe if we play advocate for this guy, he can get a column he deserves.
We've had engineers, surgeons and a 767 pilot that's part of the chosen generation. Martha is always entertaining to read because she's so full of life, but it's hard for me to relate to her.
Honestly, I'd like a regional pilot with a positive outlook on things to have a regular monthly column, and a salaried position with the magazine. I may not be as positive as this writer, but he's the face of what's really going on. I'd like to read more from this guy. Martha's breakthrough article was much the same, a contribution that recieved a lot of praise, and she was given a column shortly thereafter.
Maybe if we play advocate for this guy, he can get a column he deserves.
#113
Again with the drone thing... It either MUST have AI or it MUST have a remote pilot via datalink; perhaps a little bit of both, but I cannot see one that does not ultimately rely on data linking for at least SOME functionality. That means a radio, with all of the associated issues. What if the aircraft flies into thick WX? We've all heard radios crap themselves in a TRW.
AI suitable for complete autonomy isn't available, won't be for a long time.
Imagine even a simple problem like a flap/slat issue. Combine that with a bit of nasty WX, or maybe an ill passenger, or ATC issues, and the decision tree is going to become very complex, very quickly.
It is easy to program a simple drone to go from A to B, and it works when everything works perfectly. It doesn't do so well when there are problems. A LOT of drones have gone down in the lat 15 years.
AI suitable for complete autonomy isn't available, won't be for a long time.
Imagine even a simple problem like a flap/slat issue. Combine that with a bit of nasty WX, or maybe an ill passenger, or ATC issues, and the decision tree is going to become very complex, very quickly.
It is easy to program a simple drone to go from A to B, and it works when everything works perfectly. It doesn't do so well when there are problems. A LOT of drones have gone down in the lat 15 years.
#114
JungleBus.....awesome article!
You are a talented writer and very few APC lurkers or posters can do better. I'm shocked by the negative responses. So many wonderful sunsets and star filled skies wasted on those petty enough to miss the poetry in your piece as well as your subtle jabs at the industry.
Our generation needs a Len Morgan, and I'm happy you have taken the first step to fill that role.
Cheers brother!
You are a talented writer and very few APC lurkers or posters can do better. I'm shocked by the negative responses. So many wonderful sunsets and star filled skies wasted on those petty enough to miss the poetry in your piece as well as your subtle jabs at the industry.
Our generation needs a Len Morgan, and I'm happy you have taken the first step to fill that role.
Cheers brother!
I second that!
Wouldn't mind seeing a regular column that reflects our community. I still enjoy revisiting some of the late Len Morgan's great writings, his "Reflections of a Pilot" is a great collection of his best work from Flying, his writing's rank a close 2nd only to Ernest Gann.
While talking about aviation writers, just recently read Bill Eads, 'When Flying was Fun', and Kevin Garrion's 'CEO of the Cockpit'. Both were good reads from former line pilots.
If anyone else would like to share or suggest another good aviation read, I'm always on the prowl for another good book.
#116
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: SFO Guppy CA
I understand JungleBus' comments about the E175. The 170/175 was designed so that 500 hour, third world trained pilots don't kill themselves. It is by far, the easiest airplane that I have flown at a 121 or 135 airline!!!
#117
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From: It's still a Guppy, just a bit longer.
Hmm. Just so I have this straight...
The article sucks because I have flow rights to a major that most regional pilots don't have, and *may* flow next year after 6 yrs at this company and 10 years at the regionals and several years of instructing and single-pilot freight-dogging before that, and this is apparently far better than all the other regional guys have it, and I wasn't ever furloughed, and it's not enough that I talked about my FO for the trip that was furloughed twice, or all the other guys at my airline that have been furloughed, or all the turmoil going on in the industry. The important thing is that I personally haven't been furloughed, and may go to a major within 12 months, and despite disliking many aspects of the industry actually like my job, and don't mind honestly telling people so, and therefore the article was misleading and is luring a bunch of airline pilot wannabe kiddies down the primrose path...
Is that about it?
The article sucks because I have flow rights to a major that most regional pilots don't have, and *may* flow next year after 6 yrs at this company and 10 years at the regionals and several years of instructing and single-pilot freight-dogging before that, and this is apparently far better than all the other regional guys have it, and I wasn't ever furloughed, and it's not enough that I talked about my FO for the trip that was furloughed twice, or all the other guys at my airline that have been furloughed, or all the turmoil going on in the industry. The important thing is that I personally haven't been furloughed, and may go to a major within 12 months, and despite disliking many aspects of the industry actually like my job, and don't mind honestly telling people so, and therefore the article was misleading and is luring a bunch of airline pilot wannabe kiddies down the primrose path...
Is that about it?

I spend a lot of time explaining to people that "autopilot" is a terrible word to describe the system. That it is NOT a pilot, it is solely a flight control manipulator that takes direct input from a PILOT, that I can command the damned thing to do whatever I want it to do, and it's sole reason for existence is to ease workload because we have so many other tasks to accomplish on any given flight, especially during the departure and arrival phases. I had one guy (a physician) at a friend's dinner party tell me he thought we just press an autopilot button and then sit back and let it do it's thing.
The biggest problem with aviation is that so many pilots have such poor PR skills and are so socially inept that they don't understand other people. Sometimes we don't understand the consequences of what we say. When you write an article about flying for an airline, you don't just have an opportunity to improve our image and fix some misconceptions, you have a duty to your peers not to do what you did. It's also a mark of maturity.
Telling the world through one of the most popular aviation magazines on the planet that our jobs can be condensed to being bored and autopilot and autothrottles is a perfect example of the social ineptitude that plagues this profession. Furthermore, it's not even TRUE! It's so far removed from the truth, that it's an insult to pilots all over the world. This kind of damage can't be easily fixed. And this sentiment is not only shared by a lot of people on this thread, I guarantee you that the majority of airline pilots who read this article will be thinking the same thing: "Oh GREAT".
You write it off as "self-effacement" in your reply...but remember that you were describing an entire profession to the world. You were an un-chosen and (obviously) unwitting representative of all of us in that article. You didn't just efface yourself. You effaced all of us.
Thanks, guy.
Last edited by Airway; 06-05-2013 at 07:13 AM.
#119
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From: It's still a Guppy, just a bit longer.
I wrote and posted that in haste. The guy obviously didn't mean any harm.
#120
I enjoyed the article. I'd ignore all the negative comments. It seems this board is mostly made up of people whining, complaining and being d*cks etc... Sometimes I can't tell if I'm reading APC forums or 4chan.
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