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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 1423589)

So if you fly one person, you should get 40 cents/hr?

JamesNoBrakes - exactly the point I (poorly I might add) was trying to make. When you try to tie the pay to the responsibility, in our case the number of people we fly, it still doesn't pay us what our training and skills deserve. The problem is, how do we put a number on it? I think $40k is a reasonable place to start, but how do we justify it? What is the basis / reference for our argument? Should the cost of our training be tied to a certain salary so that we recoup those costs within X number of years? I don't know what the right answer is and I don't think many people do. I do think it should be nowhere near as close to the poverty line as it is though.

Now, where's the number to that trucking company?

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Originally Posted by Noseeums (Post 1423580)

flat-rate pay with merit-based promotions and incentive bonuses

example:

76 seat jet

All Captains $90,000
All First Officers $50,000

No seniority. No unions. Upgrades will be actual promotions based on merit, knowledge, peer recommendations, and advanced performance tracking. Pay raises or bonuses in each seat dependent upon specific airline performance metrics being met. Cost of living raises to match national average every year.

The present system in place at most any airline is archaic. There is no merit to seniority-based upgrades. There is no incentive to motivate the juvenile and unprofessional to do a good job; moreover, they have endless job protection regardless of their actions and they receive raises annually for no reason.

A new system like the one I have suggested would elevate the people that actually perform well.

And then the good ole boys network takes over. No thanks. Turn down a flight or aircraft, get out late cause of maintenance write ups one too many times, call in sick too often.... you get the point.

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Originally Posted by Noseeums (Post 1423580)

flat-rate pay with merit-based promotions and incentive bonuses

example:

76 seat jet

All Captains $90,000
All First Officers $50,000

No seniority. No unions. Upgrades will be actual promotions based on merit, knowledge, peer recommendations, and advanced performance tracking. Pay raises or bonuses in each seat dependent upon specific airline performance metrics being met. Cost of living raises to match national average every year.

The present system in place at most any airline is archaic. There is no merit to seniority-based upgrades. There is no incentive to motivate the juvenile and unprofessional to do a good job; moreover, they have endless job protection regardless of their actions and they receive raises annually for no reason.

A new system like the one I have suggested would elevate the people that actually perform well.

So, my promotion is tied to whether or not I ground an airplane, push the weather, or never call fatigue or sick? Sounds like a heck of a plan.

Should we really care how many people we fly? The job is harder on an RJ doing 5 legs a day 50 people at a time. I can fly 250 people in a day and that's 250 airline tickets sold. Not saying I should get paid the same as a 777 Captain but the scale is nowhere near fair and the per-passenger scale should not apply.

How often do you see FOs upgrade to captain only because they are next in line because of seniority but have no business being a captain? Does this happen?

Yeah. Sorry Noseeums but your merit based upgrades would create the good old boy system someone else mentioned. Good to discuss though respectfully for a change.

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Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 1423601)

So, my promotion is tied to whether or not I ground an airplane, push the weather, or never call fatigue or sick? Sounds like a heck of a plan.

Nope to all of that. Anything else you're afraid of that you'd like to throw in? Being part of a profession could be scary and unfair! Better stick with $19/hr and wishful thinking of a pilot shortage to promote my career instead.

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Originally Posted by PittsDriver (Post 1423608)

How often do you see FOs upgrade to captain only because they are next in line because of seniority but have no business being a captain? Does this happen?

*edit*

I'll just leave this at: Yes. All the time.

anything would be better than the 15K im taking home at republic a year.

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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 1423589)

So if you fly one person, you should get 40 cents/hr?

You completely missed his point.