Still makes me laugh every time I see this. People actually believe we are still bound by this...lmao :rolleyes:

Elaborate. How are we not?

When the law becomes the despot and disallows the 'free' market to work, we are no longer bound by its tenants. Its time to hoist the black flag and break the 'law'

I agree with this 100% You are already seeing evidence of this in the bonuses being paid at regionals now. Pay will be next but it will take a very long time. If you have been at a regional for the past 10 years, not by choice but because of the lack of movement then you have the right to ***** a little. If you haven't, then suck it up and get a second job just like the rest of us have had to do for years. IT IS A REGIONAL! You are not supposed to have any money. They are giving you a ticket to the big show! If you don't like it, vote with your feet and GTFO! Nothing worse than having to live in a crash pad that smells like AS*, making no money, working every weekend, and a stagnated market. You finally get to fly the plane, the part we all love, and some jackwagon wants to ***** all day about the company and how little they are paying them. Give me a break! Do you think this is a new development? You knew or should have known the rules when you signed up. Stop ruining my fun with your bullcrap while at work. Now if you only complain on these boards and not on the flight deck, or in the crew room, or at the crash pad, then please accept my apology because I feel that venting on the boards is therapeutic. The rest of the places mentioned are just like a hemorrhoid to me. Some of you just suck with all of your whining!

This has been tried hundreds of times since the beginning of airlines and has NEVER worked. Every new airline since day one tries to do this but It ALWAYS evolves into a corrupt good old boy system in which the company abuses more often than not. Remember pilots and Harvard educated MBA's can be very good at using any weakness in any system to their advantage. I have yet to be at an airline where the pilots haven't found a back door into the rostering system. Even though the company corrects the software fault as it becomes aware, there is always someone who finds another backdoor. Humans are remarkable creatures at exploiting weaknesses and using them to their advantage and until you change that, your system is nothing but a utopian dream.

one needs to factor useless or valuable time on a seniority list..... meaning... low 'regional' pay would be easier to swallow if one were gaining career seniority with longevity protection...

Massive exaggeration won't help your credability. ;)


Just a few HUNDREDS of years off.

Most of these people HAVE been stuck at regionals year after year, my personal friends have been stuck around 8-10 years or so. The system doesn't work like it used to, what you are referring to, because regionals fly mainline routes and are far numerous than they use to be. We got CRJs flying across the country from SAT to SFO. You think that they are "giving you a ticket to the big show", but it doesn't work like that anymore. They ARE the show and with the competition out there from the numerous regional pilots and mergers, there's little chance to do anything else.

And most of these people did not know any better, they thought they'd move along in 2 years or so. There weren't all these websites with pilot pay all over the place, and even when there are, it's hard to know exactly where to go and what to check when you are not connected with the industry and pilots. I notice lots of pilots like to play a double-standard, not informing young people about the realities, but then blaming them when they start complaining about the realities. It's like "you should 'do the research'", but we are going to "hide it from you" and then make you sound like an idiot when you start complaining.

The part in bold was the first point I had tried to make. There is no minimum for pilots and I feel that is a failure of the regulatory system that taxpayers spend so much to keep in place.

In italics, I agree completely. Yes, it is a failure of the regulatory system, unions, and companies all together that this is where we are at. In many ways I blame the RLA and NMB for being laws so union and company friendly that they leave the employee out in the rain, starving.

The sentence underlined is two part. The general traveling public is still somewhat ignorant to what pilot wages are. Even all the education attempted after colgan fell on a largely deaf public. So maybe there's no getting people to learn. And of all the congressional regulation that came into effect recently, nothing directly regulates a pilots wage. The "1500 hour rule" was supposed to use market forces to drive up wages. In some ways it has, and in some ways (ref. Great Lakes) its still business as usual. Even as pilots leave in mass with nobody coming up the pipeline. The second underlined sentence, yes, regulation has always been reactive rather than proactive.

Somebody referenced that regional pilots must just need second jobs. That is what I had to do given my paycheck and situation. But does the flying public really want pilots flying them who are putting in 16 hour duty days and working a second job as much as possible just to survive? But again, this is an education issue.

Thanks USM. I know what year it was passed and amended. Not the point. It's old and ties our hands. It's part of the reason we are where we are.