Fair wage scale for regionals?
06-06-2013, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 24601
anything would be better than the 15K im taking home at republic a year.
06-06-2013, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by NoLightOff
Yeah. Sorry Noseeums but your merit based upgrades would create the good old boy system someone else mentioned. Good to discuss though respectfully for a change.
06-06-2013, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by NoLightOff
What would that be? I know we all want to make 100k our first year but that's not realistic. So what is? I'm asking about a minimum scale for the 37-50 seat planes and for it to go up from there. 
When the regional airlines (or anyone for that matter) are unable to attract applicants for a given position, then they know their total compensation is too low. They then have the choice of either not filling the position and parking the jet (in the case of an airline) or raising wages.
06-06-2013, 04:14 PM
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I think reigonal FOs should start out anywhere between 30 - 45k, that would be a fair pay for a starting regional pilot.
It is sad to see pilots who make less than 20k in their first year, I worked as a Pax Agent and made more than that, it's just not right. But then again, I worked for an Airline where a starting Pilot makes 65.000EUR beginning.
It is sad to see pilots who make less than 20k in their first year, I worked as a Pax Agent and made more than that, it's just not right. But then again, I worked for an Airline where a starting Pilot makes 65.000EUR beginning.
06-06-2013, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by globalexpress
The free market determines the minimum scale. The minimum scale is obviously pretty low and therefore that's what it should be. As long as a company is able to attract minimally qualified applicants for a given position that meets its needs, that's what the wage should be.
When the regional airlines (or anyone for that matter) are unable to attract applicants for a given position, then they know their total compensation is too low. They then have the choice of either not filling the position and parking the jet (in the case of an airline) or raising wages.
When the regional airlines (or anyone for that matter) are unable to attract applicants for a given position, then they know their total compensation is too low. They then have the choice of either not filling the position and parking the jet (in the case of an airline) or raising wages.
06-06-2013, 04:21 PM
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It's all merit based where I work now. There are good and bad things. On the good side most guys have to prove themselves on their recurrent check ride to be considered for upgrade. Along with that the captains are asked about the performance of the FO's. this system has led to long term FO's because they had no business in the left seat. On that note I've seen it held over people's heads if they call out sick which leads to people flying sick for fear of missing that upgrade. It's a good system if your a good employee and work hard but it does jeopardize safety with people wanting to get the job done no matter what.
06-06-2013, 04:24 PM
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^^^ This (post #24) with a caveat or qualifier that no salary or wage structure should be allowed to be so low, or high, so as to create attending problems that are worse than the suppressed or inflated market wages. For example, it appears that in the regional airline business, new pilots will work for wages so low they are below even the poverty line, below a reasonable wage. The suppressed wages create problems because the pilots will skimp on sleep quality to get by. A serious laissez faire economist will say it should all balance out so let the sleepy pilots just crash airplanes (I guess), but the government cannot sit by and allow that to happen- we must intervene to establish reasonable wages. If we allow crack to be sold like cigarettes a lot of people will be harmed that could otherwise be kept safe.
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06-06-2013, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by NoLightOff
That's funny. So you're saying if mainline paid say 30% less they would have a hard time recruiting pilots.
So what "should" the minimum wage be in the purest sense? The smallest wage that keeps the airplanes flying and meets minimum legal requirements.
06-06-2013, 04:44 PM
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ALPA Minimum: 45K for first year FO on probation. 60k second year. 1st Year captain 80k. After that ALPA can negotiate within each carrier.
45K provides barely enough money for a starter family to get by in most areas of the country for a first year - provided they have savings.
My friend is a trouble line-man with the local utility. His base is 104k. He usually makes $150-160k. No, not a new employee. But a first year trouble line main starts at 85K. They generally train you. They have a union. Not an association. Getting rid of the RLA is the critical first step. But that's been said for 30+ years.
Seriously, I've seen (and often experienced) the decline for a long long time. I am amazed people (or are they only pilots?) still walk into the hail of terrible pay like they are Australian soldiers at Gallipoli
45K provides barely enough money for a starter family to get by in most areas of the country for a first year - provided they have savings.
My friend is a trouble line-man with the local utility. His base is 104k. He usually makes $150-160k. No, not a new employee. But a first year trouble line main starts at 85K. They generally train you. They have a union. Not an association. Getting rid of the RLA is the critical first step. But that's been said for 30+ years.
Seriously, I've seen (and often experienced) the decline for a long long time. I am amazed people (or are they only pilots?) still walk into the hail of terrible pay like they are Australian soldiers at Gallipoli
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