Life in the Real World
12-03-2006 | 08:28 AM
#31
New Hire
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I can't argue with the original posters ideas of free market competition, but the fact that it's Comair that's taking it in the shorts still bothers me. We all owe Comair a little respect for what their pilot group did in 2001. We often gripe about certain companies and pilot groups that have caused a lowering of salaries and QOL, but lest we forget the groups who have had a positive impact. It's sad to see what is happening at Comair and I wish nothing but the best for the pilot group over there. Good luck fellas and if life is fair you'll emerge from this stronger than ever.
12-03-2006 | 08:54 AM
#32
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From: Corporate Pilot
Common Sense and Logic
I can excuse a 20 year old to some degree, but people your age should have a better grip on things. It isn't about despair but the use of common sense and logic.
SkyHigh
I hope you too have a nice day.
12-03-2006 | 08:58 AM
#33
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From: Corporate Pilot
Airline jobs
Airlines are running 85+% full, yes there isn't room for new airlines but there sure won't be much of a reduction. Airline travel is still the safest and by far the most efficient form of travel and that won't change. Unless you figure out how to teleport. Your negative outlook is unfounded. What will happen is the weak will get brought out by the strong and then will become streamlined. Ex. SKW & ASA, AWA & US Airways and it won’t stop here.
As far as “out on our asses,” 30-35% of commercial airline pilots must retire by 2011, that's way more vacancies than I think you understand. With less than 130K total airline pilots in the industry (includes Fractionals, 135, Cargo, 121 Major & 121 Regional) that 35-40K retirees. Plus with pilot training at an all time low & less military pilots than ever, the "written is on the wall!" Even if there is a reduction of flying, you can’t reduce that much because airlines have less than 15% of their seats available and with what you are saying we’ll have to have a 35+% reduction.
What you say would be true but only if two things happened. 1) No pilots retired. 2) A huge reduction in fling.
I'll tell you where you don't want to be, you don't want to get hire after mid 2010. The US pilot group will be so young that there won't be any movement for you. And those pilots will be the ones furloughed. As for as the rest of us, get to your strong airline of choice as fast as you can, because the movement is about to blast off. The faster you get there the further up the totem pole you'll climb and that’s job safety.
To all pilots, DON'T LISEN TO SKYHIGH, his opinion is unfounded!!!!! Do your research, unlike Skyhigh!
These are just facts.
As far as “out on our asses,” 30-35% of commercial airline pilots must retire by 2011, that's way more vacancies than I think you understand. With less than 130K total airline pilots in the industry (includes Fractionals, 135, Cargo, 121 Major & 121 Regional) that 35-40K retirees. Plus with pilot training at an all time low & less military pilots than ever, the "written is on the wall!" Even if there is a reduction of flying, you can’t reduce that much because airlines have less than 15% of their seats available and with what you are saying we’ll have to have a 35+% reduction.
What you say would be true but only if two things happened. 1) No pilots retired. 2) A huge reduction in fling.
I'll tell you where you don't want to be, you don't want to get hire after mid 2010. The US pilot group will be so young that there won't be any movement for you. And those pilots will be the ones furloughed. As for as the rest of us, get to your strong airline of choice as fast as you can, because the movement is about to blast off. The faster you get there the further up the totem pole you'll climb and that’s job safety.
To all pilots, DON'T LISEN TO SKYHIGH, his opinion is unfounded!!!!! Do your research, unlike Skyhigh!
These are just facts.
Yes look at the facts, but not through rose colored glasses. In the future there will be more airline jobs and they will be much easier to get but it will be because no one will want them anymore.
Yes, Open your eyes. The wind has been blowing for sometime now.
SkyHigh
12-03-2006 | 09:12 AM
#34
Gets Weekends Off
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From: SkyWest Capt.
You’re still unfounded! Why would nobody want a job that's fun and pays well? No not what a Dr. or lawyer makes but enough to have a good life with. You'll make more than 75% of the careers out there. And you didn't have to go to school for 10 years. There is no other job for me and I gladly devote my life to aviation, because I LOVE IT. I'd, as well as an overwhelming majority of pilots, will gladly continue the flight.
Show me where your information comes from. Prove to me that what you say it true. YOU CAN'T, PERIOD. If you hate this industry so much then get the HELL out and increase the job security for the one behind you.
BEAT IT!!! We don't want you here!!!! The only wind that is blowing is the BS your spreading!!!
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12-03-2006 | 09:17 AM
#35
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From: Corporate Pilot
Pay well
You’re still unfounded! Why would nobody want a job that's fun and pays well? No not what a Dr. or lawyer makes but enough to have a good life with. You'll make more than 75% of the careers out there. And you didn't have to go to school for 10 years. There is no other job for me and I gladly devote my life to aviation, because I LOVE IT. I'd, as well as an overwhelming majority of pilots, will gladly continue the flight.
Show me where your information comes from. Prove to me that what you say it true. YOU CAN'T, PERIOD. If you hate this industry so much then get the HELL out and increase the job security for the one behind you.
BEAT IT!!! We don't want you here!!!! The only wind that is blowing is the BS your spreading!!!
Show me where your information comes from. Prove to me that what you say it true. YOU CAN'T, PERIOD. If you hate this industry so much then get the HELL out and increase the job security for the one behind you.
BEAT IT!!! We don't want you here!!!! The only wind that is blowing is the BS your spreading!!!
You are your own worst enemies. Go and love it. In time that is all you will have.
I'll tell you what. Read all of my posts and then come back and tell me that my points are unfounded. I have spent the last two years proving my point.
SkyHigh
12-03-2006 | 09:25 AM
#36
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From: Corporate Pilot
Certianty
Jetjock,
It is a certainty that you will not enjoy an even close resemblance to what your father and uncle enjoyed. Those days are gone forever. It must be easy to be able to pull the wool over your eyes given examples from thirty years ago. Wake up, you are handicapped to reality.
I am not saying that it is impossible to become an airline pilot. Hell, they are practically giving the jobs away as it is. My point is that most of the benefits and compensations once given are gone now and will continue to reduce with time. If you are satisfied with that then by all means enjoy your life. Others here have an interest in self preservation.
Though I thoroughly enjoy this conversation sadly I must leave now. I will check back later though and will gladly reply to any response.
SkyHigh
It is a certainty that you will not enjoy an even close resemblance to what your father and uncle enjoyed. Those days are gone forever. It must be easy to be able to pull the wool over your eyes given examples from thirty years ago. Wake up, you are handicapped to reality.
I am not saying that it is impossible to become an airline pilot. Hell, they are practically giving the jobs away as it is. My point is that most of the benefits and compensations once given are gone now and will continue to reduce with time. If you are satisfied with that then by all means enjoy your life. Others here have an interest in self preservation.
Though I thoroughly enjoy this conversation sadly I must leave now. I will check back later though and will gladly reply to any response.
SkyHigh
12-03-2006 | 09:26 AM
#37
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: SkyWest Capt.
Don't worry Stanrhintx, you'll never be homeless and in 18+ years you'll be able to look back laugh and people like SkyHigh.
SkyHigh, give up and beat it! Your not want here!!!
12-03-2006 | 09:52 AM
#38
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From: SkyWest Capt.
Jetjock,
It is a certainty that you will not enjoy an even close resemblance to what your father and uncle enjoyed. Those days are gone forever. It must be easy to be able to pull the wool over your eyes given examples from thirty years ago. Wake up, you are handicapped to reality.
I am not saying that it is impossible to become an airline pilot. Hell, they are practically giving the jobs away as it is. My point is that most of the benefits and compensations once given are gone now and will continue to reduce with time. If you are satisfied with that then by all means enjoy your life. Others here have an interest in self preservation.
Though I thoroughly enjoy this conversation sadly I must leave now. I will check back later though and will gladly reply to any response.
SkyHigh
It is a certainty that you will not enjoy an even close resemblance to what your father and uncle enjoyed. Those days are gone forever. It must be easy to be able to pull the wool over your eyes given examples from thirty years ago. Wake up, you are handicapped to reality.
I am not saying that it is impossible to become an airline pilot. Hell, they are practically giving the jobs away as it is. My point is that most of the benefits and compensations once given are gone now and will continue to reduce with time. If you are satisfied with that then by all means enjoy your life. Others here have an interest in self preservation.
Though I thoroughly enjoy this conversation sadly I must leave now. I will check back later though and will gladly reply to any response.
SkyHigh
Doesn't every industry give the job away to people who have the proper education and experience? Who are you to determine who is qualified? Are you the FAA? Are you the Airline? Obviously not, so if they choose to hire qualified individuals with the proper education and experience (that they determine), then how can you say they are giving the job away. Do high school graduates with out any experience or training get the job? Do the airlines pay for you CPL? Do the airlines take anyone with a checkered back ground? NO!!!
Lawyers go right into practicing law after they pass the appropriate exams and doctors do the same. If you complete their training and pass their exams then you WILL find employment somewhere. Just like you should!
Explain to me why a pilot who has passed the appropriate ratings and exams, completed a 121/135 ground school and are PROVEN able by the FAA and AIRLINE; doesn't deserve to learn from a well qualified CA for 1000+ hours slamming gear until he is prove qualified by both the FAA and AIRLINE to become a CA. Yes some pilots are better than others but you can't half ass your way through an ATP Type ride. Just like ALL OTHER JOBS, there are the weak who find a way to perform at the right times.
GET REAL! Your narrow minded!!!
12-03-2006 | 12:24 PM
#39
Gets Weekends Off
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From: SkyWest Capt.
In the future pay is going to get worse as well. Look into it. Search some threads on the "time value of money, compensation" and a few others. I could and should write a book. You are selling yourself lies.
I'll tell you what. Read all of my posts and then come back and tell me that my points are unfounded. I have spent the last two years proving my point.
SkyHigh
I'll tell you what. Read all of my posts and then come back and tell me that my points are unfounded. I have spent the last two years proving my point.
SkyHigh
Read your postings, I would if they were full of factual information. But there not, it's your worthless opinion. Write your book, "My Worthless, Unfounded Opinion" by SkyHigh, and see how fast it makes it onto the worst sellers list.
I'd love to keep arguing with you but until you can show sold facts instead of your opinion that’s spread throughout your postings; I refuse play with you anymore.
12-03-2006 | 02:56 PM
#40
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From: Corporate Pilot
Beyond Help
I'll give you a lesson on basic economics, seeing you sleped thought that class in college. Or, did you even go to college. It's called "Supply and Demand," the fundamental bases for all economics. As the supply of pilots dwindles and the demand for pilots increases, seeing that the retirees vastly out number the potential pilots and the amount of flying stays close to the same. The cost for a pilot labor group will increase. It's easy, leverage! If you did your research you would now that 30-35% of the nation’s pilot labor group is nearing the forced retirement age of 60. But you can't see this because you're too caught up reading your own unfounded postings.
Read your postings, I would if they were full of factual information. But there not, it's your worthless opinion. Write your book, "My Worthless, Unfounded Opinion" by SkyHigh, and see how fast it makes it onto the worst sellers list.
I'd love to keep arguing with you but until you can show sold facts instead of your opinion that’s spread throughout your postings; I refuse play with you anymore.
Read your postings, I would if they were full of factual information. But there not, it's your worthless opinion. Write your book, "My Worthless, Unfounded Opinion" by SkyHigh, and see how fast it makes it onto the worst sellers list.
I'd love to keep arguing with you but until you can show sold facts instead of your opinion that’s spread throughout your postings; I refuse play with you anymore.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...t=barry+schiff
In any case pay will not go up. The pilot shortage legend is a lie. There are enough unemployed pilots now to cover any shortage that might materialize. The majors haven't hired in any great amount in many years. There is a huge back up of unemployed and under employed pilots to last last forever. In addition there is a never ending supply of eager goof balls with a parent stupid enough to co-sign a loan and the job isn't that difficult anymore.
You have been reading to many of APOA and Flying Magazines marketing fantasies. My data is backed by facts. Most anyone else here will agree that the pilot shortage is nonsense. There will be an increase in retirements but the impacts on the industry are minimal.
SkyHigh
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