Skyhigh,

your stupidity and misinformation never ceases to amaze me!

I think you'd be the perfect national security advisor for the Bush administration

Once again SkyHigh, that's an opinion. Go back to school and learn the difference between Fact and Opinion.

Facts? I have not seen many by you. Please give me more than this article. You can not be placing your whole arguement on that article. I am being open-minded here, so give me more.

Well, it will be nice when the shortage hits and wages increase....

FYI..interesting website: http://www.payscale.com/research/US/...tercity/Salary

BTW... My intent from the above link was to compare pilot pay (as you know it) not to bus drivers, but for you to look at similar jobs that require a 4 year degree and $10,000+ of specialized training.

Take where I'm headed, for example: http://www.payscale.com/research/US/...agement/Salary

Loving flying is one thing, but the wannabees here need to consider what that is worth to them.

Knowledge is power!
Spongebob

For the Love of Flying
 

You guys can love flying but it doesnt mean that it will love you back.

SkyHigh

Favorite
 

One of my favorites; Police wages

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Police_or_Sheriff's_Patrol_Officer/Salary


Don't forget that they also get a full retirement.

SkyHigh

I also have degrees in Mgmnt and Economics form a prestigious university. After college I joined the Sherwin-Williams Company as a sales rep, which paid for my flight training. It was a 7 day a week job that often caused me to work 70-80 hour weeks and countless evenings at home. I once worked form March to October without a single day off. Yes it was my choice but because of my work ethic I quickly rose to the top and was promoted several times.

When I told my boss I was leaving he had brought me into his office to discuss applying for the top sale rep position in the division. I thanked him but declined and then put in my two weeks notice. You see, I was tired of working so hard and with so much stress for 65K a year. The most I would top out at was 85K and that wasn't worth all the stress. STRESS and lots of it, not to mention that I hated sales.

You say life as a pilot is unstable. I'll give you that, but it's far more unstable as a sales rep or in Mgmnt positions where every day you are graded and queried. About how you're going to improve, beat last month, last year, improve customer support and product quality, decrease customer complaints, increase quality control, improve employee moral, improve employee performance, decrease expenses, increase profit and etc. AND if you don't perform you're OUT! Just as quick as you were hired, you're gone. In the “real world” performance is everything and you are always expendable.

So what start your own business? Fine, how is a broke pilot going to come up with the initial capital, contacts, idea, customers and support. The NFIB (National Federation of Independent Business' Education Foundation) estimates that over the lifetime of a business, 39% are profitable, 30% break even, and 30% lose money, with 1% falling in the "unable to determine" category. The NFIB also concluded that 64.2% of ALL new business fail; now that’s risky and stressful.

You can have all that STESS. I'll gladly take my airline seat, making just as much, as a CA without all that STRESS and enjoying my job. I'll make my own retirement and I'll do just fine. Yes my airline can collapse, but it’s far less likely then being fired for not performing. I do agree that everyone, not just pilots, should supplement their income. That's the best way to build a sevure future.

Facts
 

Here is one: For the last five years the military has been producing over 11,000 new pilots each year. Civilian flight schools produce somewhere over 8,000 new commercial pilots each year. There are only 65,000 good major airline pilot jobs total in the country and the average pilot has a 25 year career. Divide the total number of good airline pilot jobs (65K) by the average pilot career duration (25) and you might be interested in the number you get the be fought over by over 20,000 new pilots created every year.

Each year the amount of good pilot jobs shrink and are being replaced by regional or LCC jobs.

Now imagine what will happen if they increase the maximum age to 65 or 70. :eek:

The luckly few who make it to the next level get to enjoy the likelyhood of getting laid off, furloughed or merged out of exsistance. Fun. :(


SkyHigh

Fact: Pilot pay has shrunk consideribly
 

Fact: Pilot currently earn half of what they did 20 years ago when adjusted for inflation.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...3691#post73691


http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...highlight=fapa


Pilot wages will continue to fall. They also work more. The trends are not good.

SkyHigh