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CrakPipeOvrheat 07-04-2013 07:58 AM

New AA Regional Aircraft Order
 
9E is not competing for any flying except Delta flying. 9E will only fly for Delta as long as it is wholly owned by Delta. You see where I'm going with this? 9E has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

fullflank 07-04-2013 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat (Post 1439158)
9E is not competing for any flying except Delta flying. 9E will only fly for Delta as long as it is wholly owned by Delta. You see where I'm going with this? 9E has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

You need to read the other thread here titled "Parker want concessios at eagle". There is a link of the proposal and Parker mentions 9e by name time and time again. So yes, 9e has everything to do with this.

CrakPipeOvrheat 07-04-2013 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by fullflank (Post 1439161)

Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat (Post 1439158)
9E is not competing for any flying except Delta flying. 9E will only fly for Delta as long as it is wholly owned by Delta. You see where I'm going with this? 9E has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

You need to read the other thread here titled "Parker want concessios at eagle". There is a link of the proposal and Parker mentions 9e by name time and time again. So yes, 9e has everything to do with this.

I am aware. He can say he wants a contract like 9E, but he can't say they will lose flying to 9E if they don't take concessions. Unless its delta flying.

MrMustache 07-04-2013 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat (Post 1439164)
I am aware. He can say he wants a contract like 9E, but he can't say they will lose flying to 9E if they don't take concessions. Unless its delta flying.

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FlyingKat 07-04-2013 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat (Post 1439164)
I am aware. He can say he wants a contract like 9E, but he can't say they will lose flying to 9E if they don't take concessions. Unless its delta flying.

If you honestly believe Gumm won't take a look at a good deal offered by Parker, and take it back to his handlers at Delta, then you really don't understand this industry or how it operates.

Not saying it will or will not happen. But if you look at the history of regionals over the last 20 years, the tendency is for mainlines to try and divest themselves of wholly owned regional operations. If you think Gumm and or Anderson are not capable of changing an agreement that would make Pinnacle...err..Endeavor more attractive to outside investors then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. 10 years from now it is likely Endeavor will either be sold off or parted off. Delta is unlikely to keep them on the books long term. This whole deal is just an eerie repeat of what NWA did with Express One in 1997.

Bottom line this is about making as much money as possible. If Parker makes Gumm/Anderson an offer they will look at it. Be careful about making exclusionary statements or believing management when they issue them. In this business, it will make you look like a fool.

PeopleMover90 07-04-2013 08:33 AM

Or PSA? In addition to considering RAH/Mesa/Skywest

FlyingKat 07-04-2013 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1439146)
And you are well within your rights to just vote no, you don't want to have all these other pilots groups mad at you, do you?

Doesn't really matter. I would expect to take the heat for my decision because I know it affects more than just my job and my pilot group. I just get sick and tired of 9E pilots whining and crying when other pilots point out that they are now looking at concessions because of what the 9E pilot group decided to do.

It was your right to decide what you wanted to do. You made your decision. Man up and take the heat for it.

Saabs 07-04-2013 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1439181)
If you honestly believe Gumm won't take a look at a good deal offered by Parker, and take it back to his handlers at Delta, then you really don't understand this industry or how it operates.

Not saying it will or will not happen. But if you look at the history of regionals over the last 20 years, the tendency is for mainlines to try and divest themselves of wholly owned regional operations. If you think Gumm and or Anderson are not capable of changing an agreement that would make Pinnacle...err..Endeavor more attractive to outside investors then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. 10 years from now it is likely Endeavor will either be sold off or parted off. Delta is unlikely to keep them on the books long term. This whole deal is just an eerie repeat of what NWA did with Express One in 1997.

Bottom line this is about making as much money as possible. If Parker makes Gumm/Anderson an offer they will look at it. Be careful about making exclusionary statements or believing management when they issue them. In this business, it will make you look like a fool.

You trip. Gumm ain't bidding on flying from Parker.

Jet87 07-04-2013 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat (Post 1439158)
9E is not competing for any flying except Delta flying. 9E will only fly for Delta as long as it is wholly owned by Delta. You see where I'm going with this? 9E has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

You can also read where Mr Chip, COO of SkyWest airlines mentions pinnacles new contract the standard for regional airlines in the first negotiations with the SkyWest Airline Pilots Association, so you guys have a lot to do with other regionals and their pay negotiations

FlyingKat 07-04-2013 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 1439196)
You trip. Gumm ain't bidding on flying from Parker.

You trip if you don't think Gumm will look at any deal that will make his company more money.


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