Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)
-   Regional (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/regional/)
-   -   New AA Regional Aircraft Order (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/regional/75788-new-aa-regional-aircraft-order.html)

fullflank 07-04-2013 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by theHub (Post 1439303)
Soooo....who's getting the AA/US RJ's on order?

I don't think Parker even knows right now, but if I had to guess eagle will get the airplanes after getting some sort of a concessionary deal stuffed down their throat. Haven't we already seen all this before?

FlyingKat 07-04-2013 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by fullflank (Post 1439314)
I don't think Parker even knows right now, but if I had to guess eagle will get the airplanes after getting some sort of a concessionary deal stuffed down their throat. Haven't we already seen all this before?

Unfortunately this is a likely scenario, but I doubt Eagle will get all of them.

bretthull 07-04-2013 01:21 PM

Ok enough 9E talk. There are countless threads devoted to that topic. Any PSA guys care to chime in? Any word on your side about new aircraft?

fullflank 07-04-2013 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by bretthull (Post 1439366)
Ok enough 9E talk. There are countless threads devoted to that topic. Any PSA guys care to chime in? Any word on your side about new aircraft?

Not going to come to PSA. Here is why I think that: PSA doesn't have the infrastructure for growth. We have one Sim that runs 24hrs/day to accommodate recurrent, new hire etc. They've been asking airways for another, no luck. The one guy who wanted growth, the VP, just passed away. If we get more 700/900's our pay will actually go up because of the blended rate. Parker is obviously trying to get labor to fly these things cheaper, not actually pay pilots more than now. All that, and I'm very confident in saying that PSA is not going to be considered for this flying.

theHub 07-04-2013 02:40 PM

PSA and PDT merge, just for staffing needs if for nothing else. Add the new airframes. Park the Dash's. Use PDT's contract and PSA's current 70+ rates until new rates are agreed on. Maybe?

ShyGuy 07-04-2013 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1439203)
You trip if you don't think Gumm will look at any deal that will make his company more money.

A wholly owned Delta carrier will not be operating for another mainline carrier. That has never happened when Delta owns the regional. As long as Delta owns Endeavor, it will be DCI only.

ShyGuy 07-04-2013 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1439251)
9E voted in concessions because Delta made most of the pilots believe that they would shut us down if we didn't take concessions.

The funny thing is that all the other pilot groups are going to cave because "Pinnacle made us do it".

They are the ones that need to "man up" and vote NO if they don't like the proposal given to them and quit whining and crying about a situation they didn't live through.

Maybe the reasoning for the CAs, but most FOs voted to get the money payout (6 grand or so for many). Capping them at 4 yrs at 37/hr is not something any FO would vote yes for unless there was a payout. You could make more your first year at any LCC or your second year at any regional with RJs. The union knew that. The SSP was for the senior side to vote yes. The money payout was to get the FOs to pass it.

And even Eagle is getting memos that the new Pinnacle is the kind of cost structure they need to aim for to thrive. The race to the bottom will continue. And to think, the regionals have no pilots coming through the pipeline. That's leverage and people are still voting yes to paycuts. Pilots yell unity and strength, at the end of the day they are the biggest self-serving interest individuals known to mankind.

buddies8 07-04-2013 04:04 PM

they are called the mainline wannabes.

Geardownflaps30 07-04-2013 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1439410)
A wholly owned Delta carrier will not be operating for another mainline carrier. That has never happened when Delta owns the regional. As long as Delta owns Endeavor, it will be DCI only.

(This has nothing to do with this thread, but...)

You are unaware that Comair bid for and won several contracts for flying regional feed for other main line carriers while being wholly owned by Delta. Ultimately these awards were turned down usually because the term (length of contract) wasn't worth the time and $$ to hire, train and create additional bases.

The point is that IF the parent company wants its wholly owned subsidiary to do outside work, it will.

Comair above and below wing services were also contracted out to other companies as well as heavy mtc for other regionals.


Please try to refrain from commenting on subjects that you really don't have the experience in this industry to comment on.

ShyGuy 07-04-2013 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30 (Post 1439420)
(This has nothing to do with this thread, but...)

You are unaware that Comair bid for and won several contracts for flying regional feed for other main line carriers while being wholly owned by Delta. Ultimately these awards were turned down usually because the term (length of contract) wasn't worth the time and $$ to hire, train and create additional bases.

The point is that IF the parent company wants its wholly owned subsidiary to do outside work, it will.

Comair above and below wing services were also contracted out to other companies as well as heavy mtc for other regionals.


Please try to refrain from commenting on subjects that you really don't have the experience in this industry to comment on.

Consider past history with Pinnacle and Delta. Delta cut the payment due to Pinnacle because they didn't want to pay for the United side of things. While Delta may contract below wing services to other airlines, I don't think you'll see Endeavor fly as AA/UA or any other airline's regional.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:22 PM.


Website Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands