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07-04-2013 | 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyingKat

You trip if you don't think Gumm will look at any deal that will make his company more money.

Hmmmmm seems you forget that Delta told 9E to cancel the Q contract because they didn't want to be paying a competitor, even after UA offered to pay more money.

07-04-2013 | 08:57 AM

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Oy...
typical thread drift off topic.

07-04-2013 | 09:34 AM

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Hmmmmm seems you forget that Delta told 9E to cancel the Q contract because they didn't want to be paying a competitor, even after UA offered to pay more money.

Everything Colgan was dumped because that certificate was more of a mess than Pinnacle, and Delta was cleaning up Trenary's mess. Delta's big issue was not paying for the training of pilots to fly for UAL. To compare the trainwreck 9E had become by the time Menke took over, to what is going on now is apples to oranges.

These guys look at deals every day. You'd be amazed at some of the stuff that gets turned down. But if you don't think Anderson and Gumm would consider changing an agreement to increase Endeavor Air's (still giggle when I say that) profitability (and increase the value of Delta's investment) and make them more attractive to a potential buyer, then you really don't understand how this industry works.

07-04-2013 | 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyingKat

Doesn't really matter. I would expect to take the heat for my decision because I know it affects more than just my job and my pilot group. I just get sick and tired of 9E pilots whining and crying when other pilots point out that they are now looking at concessions because of what the 9E pilot group decided to do.

It was your right to decide what you wanted to do. You made your decision. Man up and take the heat for it.

9E voted in concessions because Delta made most of the pilots believe that they would shut us down if we didn't take concessions.

The funny thing is that all the other pilot groups are going to cave because "Pinnacle made us do it".

They are the ones that need to "man up" and vote NO if they don't like the proposal given to them and quit whining and crying about a situation they didn't live through.

07-04-2013 | 09:56 AM

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Exactly Bartok. All they gotta do is vote no, just like they told us right? It's that simple guys! Oh that's right it's always someone else's job to fall on the sword.

07-04-2013 | 10:07 AM

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well would that be not the case for every mainline who contracts out the feed to a non owned carrier. one is always supporting the other mainlines feeder especially if one feeder feeds more than one mainline at the same time. they all do it, argument does not hold up to reality of the current business model mainlines employ.

07-04-2013 | 10:42 AM

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The Pinnacle situation was very different from what happens at other regionals with multiple codeshares. Part of the deal for buying Mesaba was Delta would pay for the cost of integrating Mesaba and retraining all the pilots. When Pinnacle sent them the bill, Delta refused to pay because pilots were being retrained for the United Q400s as well, and Delta said they were not going to pay to retrain pilots for United, only Delta. The withholding of this payment (along with many other factors) pushed 9E into bankruptcy.

Once Delta basically bought the company in bankruptcy they wanted nothing to do with the United Q400s and the Colgan certificate was dropped.

07-04-2013 | 11:07 AM

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Thread drift in the first reply. That is fast even by APC standards.

07-04-2013 | 11:12 AM

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Soooo....who's getting the AA/US RJ's on order?

07-04-2013 | 11:23 AM

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Soooo....who's getting the AA/US RJ's on order?

Endeavor Air....haven't you been reading?

Realistically its pretty wide open. Even heard a rumor that Parker was shopping Piedmont to Hulas with the idea of more AA flying in mind. Not saying I believe it, but one of the wilder rumors I've heard over the last few days.....