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Old 07-12-2013 | 02:34 PM
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Fellow American Eagle Pilots,



I have asked the MEC to convene on Monday to discuss US Airways' final proposal. Although we cannot post the actual proposal from US Airways unless the MEC decides to send it to the membership for a vote, I think it is important that we convey the basic tenets of that document. Since the beginning of these discussions, US Airways management has sought to restructure our contract into one that provides a new approach to dealing with new hires by placing them on a lower cost pay and benefit structure. While we attempted to make various improvements to US Airways’ approach, and despite a few alterations, we have been largely unsuccessful as management believes that this new structure is the future course for our segment of the industry.



US Airways says they need the following.



For all Eagle pilots already on property:

· No changes to current contract for existing pilots

· If this deal were ratified by the pilots, Eagle pilots who later decline to flow to AA would have their pay rate frozen

· Pilots who have already declined to transfer to AA, will not have their payrate frozen and will remain under the current contract.

· Proposal contains a minimum fleet size guarantee for 8 years and that would be guaranteed by the mainline, which would include larger new aircraft

· Proposal contains increasing the minimum number of pilots per year that Eagle must allow to flow to AA by 25%



The cost savings USAirways is looking for to accomplish the above bullets would come from future new hire pilots. Future new hire pilots would:

· Work under reduced payrate and benefits compared to new hires under the current agreement

· All future new hires would be “hired” by AA and would be able to participate in the same flow as rest of Eagle pilots in seniority order



USAirways indicated that without this deal, they would place the new aircraft at another carrier with lower costs. Additionally, the return schedule for our current EMB aircraft has not changed and if it remains unchanged, most of the EMB fleet will have been returned or retired by the end of 2017.



I am not writing this email to sway your opinion, but it is imperative that your opinion be rooted in fact and that you know what USAirways is actually proposing. Every single call that I have received over the past two weeks has been working under the assumption that additional concessions from existing Eagle pilots and their current agreement were a part of US Airways’ proposal. As you can see from the above bullet points, USAirways is not looking for concessions from current Eagle pilots with one exception. If this deal were ratified then after the ratification, an Eagle pilot that chooses not to flow to AA when he/she has the opportunity will then have his/her payrate frozen. If you have questions or opinions, please reach out to your local reps. They will be meeting this coming Monday to decide what to do with this proposal.



Tony Gutierrez

MEC Chairman
For what it is worth, there is no "Flow Through" Agreement with the Eagle Pilot group. There is a couple hundred that have numbers at AA, which many deferred. There is 824 that transfer as new hires. There is preferential hiring for those hired after October 2011 that do not belong in the 824, which I am not sure what that means. The rest get interviews.

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Old 07-12-2013 | 03:48 PM
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Oh yippie, we can go to American in a decade if we fly for nothing! Yes voter here
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Old 07-12-2013 | 04:42 PM
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I don't get this. Aren't regionals having trouble recruiting right now? How is lowering pay for new hires and creating a B scale supposed to attract more people to work there? Do they really think that prospective employees will put that much value in a flow through?

I'm really scratching my head on this one.
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Old 07-12-2013 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DashDriverYV
Oh yippie, we can go to American in a decade if we fly for nothing! Yes voter here
how about "we can go to American and fly ERJ190s in a decade if we fly for nothing"

USeless Airways-American is gonna fly those ERJ190s until they fall apart
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Old 07-12-2013 | 05:48 PM
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B Scales are fundamentally unfair since they pay employees performing the exact same work different pay.

Did the Eagle MEC question the Pinnacle agreement, or it's numerous violations of ALPA's Admin Manual during ratification? Their complaints ring a bit hollow since they did nothing to address the situation when the time was appropriate.
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Old 07-12-2013 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
B Scales are fundamentally unfair since they pay employees performing the exact same work different pay.

Did the Eagle MEC question the Pinnacle agreement, or it's numerous violations of ALPA's Admin Manual during ratification? Their complaints ring a bit hollow since they did nothing to address the situation when the time was appropriate.
The eagle and pinnacle MEC's were working with each other the entire time. I remember thinking wow Eagle made out good with their bankruptcy contract, although looks like that might not hold up...

What difference does it make if Alpa violated anything when the president signs the TA? It's a joke regardless, oh well.
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Old 07-12-2013 | 06:31 PM
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What a joke! Tell them to shove it!
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Old 07-12-2013 | 06:42 PM
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Minimum fleet guarantees mean absolutely nothing. You need a minimum block hour guarantee.

Comair had a minimum fleet guarantee, which Delta adhered to, however those planes sat idle in remote parking for the duration of the LOA. We also had the "except for those airframes scheduled to come off lease'' clause.Once the LOA expired, those planes began to disappear pronto. In doing so, Delta intentionally and artificially inflated Comair's costs so they could hasten its dismantling.

A MINIMUM FLEET GUARANTEE IS MEANINGLESS!!! I cannot stress this enough.

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Old 07-12-2013 | 06:46 PM
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188 ERJs for 60 (maybe) future large RJs.... Hmmm sounds like a major reduction not needing that won't require a need to staff....
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Old 07-12-2013 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
B Scales are fundamentally unfair since they pay employees performing the exact same work different pay.
Didn't the majors simply move the B scale off property creating the large regionals we see today?
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