Remember the big picture. If you're a good pilot and a good employee almost all will be hired by the majors and in 10 - 12 years you'll be a captain with at least 15 days off a month and want remember these discussions. Supply and demand will rule the market place and benefits and pay will ultimately go up..watch for the next few regional contracts that are settled.

 

Where do you see the guarantee on this?? When I was hired at SkyWest, we were losing upwards of 30 pilots a month to legacies and SW and JetBlue and Frontier and good times were had by all. Movement was rapid, upgrades were plentiful, and newhires had visions of only sitting right seat for a year before becoming captain and then quickly moving on. Then the economy tanked, age 65 came around, and that movement crashed to a halt. Oh, and everyone who had left for UAL got furloughed. Never ever EVER count your mainline upgrade before it happens.

 

Electra, you just proved who truly has "airlinewisdom."

 

They are trying to squeeze the last drop before shutting down.

 

Yup, the same can be said to SKW! They are being told that they are to expensive and maintaining most of their current fleet and replacements is based on their cost moving foreword. RAH has 47 airplanes and option for many more but under that contract with AMR there are clauses meaning that if they don't maintain the cheap labor and a certain performance AMR can walk away and get someone else to fly airplanes for them and the last 6 months have shown airlines willing to assume all liability and acquire the airplanes themselves. Same for Expressjet. GoJet could have some of their airplanes land at Pinnacle. All the regionals are in trouble, not just Eagle. We just happen to be on the spot light, but soon you will see others shine bright as well. Eagle will shrink as will the other regionals.

If they want to shut down Eagle, Adding a B scale will not change a thing. Listen to how airlines are saying that everything hinges on pilot pay. There are many pieces to the pie and the pilots are just a small piece.

 

You're an idiot if you believe this. Point blank. "If you're a good pilot"... really? What the heck is that supposed to mean? You can fly an ILS?

Keep looking into that crystal ball. It's IMPOSSIBLE to predict the future of this industry so accurately. Supply and demand always rules the market place (unless the government decides to intervene!), and guess what? There will be plenty of supply.

 

Delta pilots didn't allow larger aircraft with their most recent contract. 76 seaters were allowed on the previous contract, & that's all that is allowed on the current contract. In addition Delta pilots received a block hour ratio that prevents RJ flying from increasing while mainline is shrinking, a cap on the total number of Delta connection airframes, and tighter Codeshare/Joint venture language. Total outsourced seats decreased with the current contract.

 

Talk to us next year about delta, how are those 717's going?

 

Can't tell if you're being an a$$ or not.

Johnso29 is one of most fair minded, clued in mainline posters on this board, so I hope not.

 

No, but all fail to understand this business. The union does not use pattern bargaining as the unions of the auto industry but management does. Everything depends on what the new aa contract will say and then the rest of the mainlines management will do the same especially if they (not aa) cost more to operate next to the new aa. These guys have time on there side, pilots don't.