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Old 07-12-2013 | 07:16 PM
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So what does the proposed B scale and work rules look like? Its already extremely difficult to survive as a Jr regional fo, now they want to pay even less? I know there are a ton of pilots out there and don't buy into this whole shortage nonsense, but at some point, working at Starbucks becomes a more lucrative career than flying an rj.
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Old 07-12-2013 | 07:37 PM
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How is a 1st year guy making like 22k a year the one bankrupting the company?
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Old 07-12-2013 | 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BSOuthisplace
I don't get this. Aren't regionals having trouble recruiting right now? How is lowering pay for new hires and creating a B scale supposed to attract more people to work there? Do they really think that prospective employees will put that much value in a flow through?

I'm really scratching my head on this one.
I was thinking the same thing. Maybe they're planning on paying a lower base pay but raising or lowering the signing bonus as pilot supply naturally ebbs and flows. And of course they can sell that future job at AMR!
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Old 07-13-2013 | 10:58 AM
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Management can't follow one contract at most companies. How are they going to follow two different set of work rules for the same pilot group?
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Old 07-13-2013 | 07:05 PM
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Sad part is that it will pass by 80%. Pinnacle was the same way. It has come to the point that the regionals have destroyed the career pilot. I don't know about a pilot shortage but there will be a shortage of people coming out of flight school. Over the next few years I can see the regional fleet being cut in half just to deal with attrition and no new hires available.
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Old 07-13-2013 | 07:23 PM
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Sad part is that it will pass by 80%. Pinnacle was the same way. It has come to the point that the regionals have destroyed the career pilot. I don't know about a pilot shortage but there will be a shortage of people coming out of flight school. Over the next few years I can see the regional fleet being cut in half just to deal with attrition and no new hires available.
I think you are right, but I don't think that anyone intended to make the regional industry a career airline and honestly it should not be. This is where many fail to see the big picture. The focus should be how to get out of the regional industry, not how to trap people into it.
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Old 07-13-2013 | 09:13 PM
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Eagle is about to sign their own death sentence. The available pool of qualified pilots is about to drastically decrease, and demand is on the upswing. Once airlines like Pinnacle and Eagle can't hire due to horrible contracts and a/c orders versus OO and RP, it will be the last reason mainline needs to shrink them to Comair status.
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Old 07-13-2013 | 09:39 PM
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The AA/APA scope agreement requires covered equipment to be flown by "pilots on the American Airlines Pilots Seniority List". This agreement puts nearly all Eagle pilots on the AA seniority list, a nice end-run around scope. All new pilots will be hired as AA pilots, but work at Eagle under the new Eagle/ALPA B-scale. Bigger equipment is on order and soon to be delivered, and it would be Eagle pilots in them with this agreement. AA can shrink quickly and furlough, probably with flowbacks to Eagle, moving all narrow-body planes and flying to Eagle. Eagle should be able to attract plenty of cheap pilots in this scenario.

Goodbye APA.
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Old 07-13-2013 | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by scottm
The AA/APA scope agreement requires covered equipment to be flown by "pilots on the American Airlines Pilots Seniority List". This agreement puts nearly all Eagle pilots on the AA seniority list, a nice end-run around scope. All new pilots will be hired as AA pilots, but work at Eagle under the new Eagle/ALPA B-scale. Bigger equipment is on order and soon to be delivered, and it would be Eagle pilots in them with this agreement. AA can shrink quickly and furlough, probably with flowbacks to Eagle, moving all narrow-body planes and flying to Eagle. Eagle should be able to attract plenty of cheap pilots in this scenario.

Goodbye APA.
The sad thing is this is probably pretty accurate...... Not just for Eagle/AA but for all Legacies.... The E170-190 has been around for a few years now... And unfortunately it'll only get bigger from here... Delta relaxing larger a/c in return for less 50 seaters has only accelerated the seat increase... Someday it will be 120 seat a/c flown at regionals.. (Instead of 717's, A319's) For $47 right seat and $105 left seat...
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Old 07-14-2013 | 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by BSOuthisplace
I don't get this. Aren't regionals having trouble recruiting right now? How is lowering pay for new hires and creating a B scale supposed to attract more people to work there? Do they really think that prospective employees will put that much value in a flow through?

I'm really scratching my head on this one.
Yep. You hit it on the head as supply and demand rules the market place.
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