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Old 12-05-2006 | 10:49 PM
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He was offered an interview at United and didn't get the job (only 1 AWAC pilot did IIRC) but others did because of United's system of preferential hiring at the time.
Say it isn't so SAAB, United had a preferential hiring system hiring certain people with low hours over other highly qualified people with high hours? I cannot believe it. I just thought they never called 'cuz I had brown eyes, black hair and "family jewels".

Sounds like a certain 280tt'r that was recently hired at some other airline...
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Old 12-06-2006 | 04:35 AM
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If we could build a time machine and go back in time...

Planes with 19 or more seats to be flown by mainline and everyone starts out in the 19-seater. Think Jetstreams or 1900's...

Oh, and everyone applying to the airlines must have at least one (1) year or 1000 hours of verified Part 135 experience (or a military equivalent).



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Old 12-06-2006 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ShadowFlight
If we could build a time machine and go back in time...

Planes with 19 or more seats to be flown by mainline and everyone starts out in the 19-seater. Think Jetstreams or 1900's...

Oh, and everyone applying to the airlines must have at least one (1) year or 1000 hours of verified Part 135 experience (or a military equivalent).



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that is actually a real good idea. I'm sure the pax would be more at ease
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Old 12-06-2006 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ShadowFlight
If we could build a time machine and go back in time...

Planes with 19 or more seats to be flown by mainline and everyone starts out in the 19-seater. Think Jetstreams or 1900's...

Oh, and everyone applying to the airlines must have at least one (1) year or 1000 hours of verified Part 135 experience (or a military equivalent).



We now return you to your regularly scheduled postings.
btw....how did you get my picture?
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Old 12-06-2006 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ShadowFlight
If we could build a time machine and go back in time...
Planes with 19 or more seats to be flown by mainline and everyone starts out in the 19-seater. Think Jetstreams or 1900's...

Oh, and everyone applying to the airlines must have at least one (1) year or 1000 hours of verified Part 135 experience (or a military equivalent).



We now return you to your regularly scheduled postings.
You'd do that much work? I think I'd just go back and pick the winning lotto numbers
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Old 12-06-2006 | 09:38 AM
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Low-timers are not the real problem, as posted many times before, world-class airlines such as BA and LH (among others) hire pilots with 0-40 hrs TT and mold them to be a capable F/O at >300 hrs TT. It starts by hiring the right candidates and training them thoroughly. Experience does help anyone, in any profession, from Janitor to Heart Surgeon, to make better decisions. However, the thought that someone MUST have some as-yet-to-be conclusively determined minimum experience is ridiculous. How much total time does one need to fly an F-15 in our Air Force? I think the difference is the selection process and the training that the military does; the same goes for BA, LH, etc.

A huge part of our problem is that just about anyone who can walk upright most of the time will be awarded a 1st class medical and can pass the commercial check-ride. The FAA has the dual (sometimes conflicting) role of promotion and regulation of our industry. I think most of us would agree that if the standards were adjusted upwards such that the bottom 15-20% of current applicants would not pass would be a benefit to us all.

Please stop blaming regional guys for ruining the industry. It surely cannot be the fault of the 22 yr. old CFII who takes the $19/hr regional jet job because it is an improvement over his/her current instructing gig. The older and more senior guys were the ones who voted to allow 1st year salary for new-hires to be sacrificed in an effort to protect their own jobs and payscales. I am reasonably certain that even they did not expect the industry to deteriorate to this level, but it is a direct effect of those decisions and I realize that it was a tough decision presented to them by management (who IMO, are the real scoundrels).
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Old 12-06-2006 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by dundem
Low-timers are not the real problem, as posted many times before, world-class airlines such as BA and LH (among others) hire pilots with 0-40 hrs TT and mold them to be a capable F/O at >300 hrs TT. It starts by hiring the right candidates and training them thoroughly. Experience does help anyone, in any profession, from Janitor to Heart Surgeon, to make better decisions. However, the thought that someone MUST have some as-yet-to-be conclusively determined minimum experience is ridiculous. How much total time does one need to fly an F-15 in our Air Force? I think the difference is the selection process and the training that the military does; the same goes for BA, LH, etc.

A huge part of our problem is that just about anyone who can walk upright most of the time will be awarded a 1st class medical and can pass the commercial check-ride. The FAA has the dual (sometimes conflicting) role of promotion and regulation of our industry. I think most of us would agree that if the standards were adjusted upwards such that the bottom 15-20% of current applicants would not pass would be a benefit to us all.

Please stop blaming regional guys for ruining the industry. It surely cannot be the fault of the 22 yr. old CFII who takes the $19/hr regional jet job because it is an improvement over his/her current instructing gig. The older and more senior guys were the ones who voted to allow 1st year salary for new-hires to be sacrificed in an effort to protect their own jobs and payscales. I am reasonably certain that even they did not expect the industry to deteriorate to this level, but it is a direct effect of those decisions and I realize that it was a tough decision presented to them by management (who IMO, are the real scoundrels).
Very well put!
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Old 12-06-2006 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by dundem
Low-timers are not the real problem, as posted many times before, world-class airlines such as BA and LH (among others) hire pilots with 0-40 hrs TT and mold them to be a capable F/O at >300 hrs TT. It starts by hiring the right candidates and training them thoroughly. Experience does help anyone, in any profession, from Janitor to Heart Surgeon, to make better decisions. However, the thought that someone MUST have some as-yet-to-be conclusively determined minimum experience is ridiculous. How much total time does one need to fly an F-15 in our Air Force? I think the difference is the selection process and the training that the military does; the same goes for BA, LH, etc.

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You mean those with blonde hair and blue eyes? Sounds like a nazi idea to me
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Old 12-06-2006 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by HotMamaPilot
You mean those with blonde hair and blue eyes? Sounds like a nazi idea to me
Get real; you’re probably that person who made the oven comment.

(For those of you who don’t know what I’m talking about. Lufthansa was missing a Passenger and some person keyed up “check your ovens.")
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Old 12-06-2006 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by dundem
world-class airlines such as BA and LH (among others) hire pilots with 0-40 hrs TT and mold them to be a capable F/O at >300 hrs TT. It starts by hiring the right candidates

BINGO!!!

Been there, done that. The selection and screening process is a problem at the regional level. That will rub some the wrong way, but it is the way it is.

The selection and training process at the large JAA companies is intense.

We are off topic here though.

I support those who say that all airplanes, from 19 seats and up should be flown by mainline.
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