Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1479299)

All of this is mental masturbation.

Regional pilots in their specific groups are going to do what benefits them, their families, and their wallet before they will give any thought to unity. This is human nature. We saw it at Comair with multiple concessions. We saw it at Pinnacle. Now we've seen it at PSA. All this talk of unity is meaningless.

Even Kit Darby (gasp!) predicted this bloodbath we're seeing in the regionals, and its only going to get worse, as JM mentioned, because of the quickly shrinking regional pie. We indeed lost the battle sometime around 2006.

Instead of "unity" campaigns, regional pilots need to be updating their resumes, and contacts. The only thing that will stop the whipsaw is regional pilots voting with their feet, en masse. It probably won't matter anyhow, because even with these draconian concessions that line management and mainline pilots pockets, regionals are still going away. The business model of regional jets has failed. Delta is already flying mainline equipment to places like Chattanooga, TN, Augusta, GA, Montgomery AL that used to be 50 seat CRJs or even turboprops. With the 717s even more is coming. ALPA has been telling us for 10 years that they want to take it back. Now it looks like they've finally accomplished it, not through spending negotiating capitol on scope, but by making RJ flying uneconomical. Quite a brilliant strategy. I would surely hate to be a lifer are a regional right now. I bet JM is scared.

Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1479377)

You are incorrect. GoJets was formed to get around AA scope. TSA could not operate larger jets on the same certificate as the 50 seaters.

How it worked with a seniority list or separate union - or even a single list - would not have changed the requirement for a new certificate.

Back on topic.

Eagle is in BK and still said no to USAir concession demands. Z
What's PSA's excuse?
Why is your MEC even entertaining concessions?

Do mechanics take concessions so the company will but them new tools?

What plane they give you to fly isn't your problem to solve. If they want maximum profits, provide the employees the correct equipment and tools.

Originally Posted by bonesbrigade (Post 1479645)

SHows what you know. Airline mechanics buy their own tools. Wow.
Take your vitriol somewhere else. WOuld you sacrifice to make my life better? No.

Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 1479525)

Right let me not think of my family - but u were gonna help me go from CA pay to 1st yr FO pay but that's ok? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by bonesbrigade (Post 1479645)

SHows what you know. Airline mechanics buy their own tools..

Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1478768)

No. What is it?

Originally Posted by todd1200 (Post 1478890)

You answered your own criticism with the "Prisnoer's Dilema" video you posted--the dilema is eliminated when the prisoners are allowed to coordinate.

Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 1480461)

But the regionals aren't "coordinating"...We all negotiate separately. Nothing changes unless you have brand scope and one single negotiations for that brand. ALPA failed the basics....Now this is the result....

Originally Posted by What (Post 1480469)

Eagle had this but ALPA have it away overnight, most of it was gone before BK!