XJT MECs seek federal mediation
08-12-2013, 04:48 PM
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You guys can blame pinnacle all you want, but the seed was planted with Delta when Skypest inc.agreed to a rate reset of the 2nd lowest carrier. Sure the Pinnacle guys/gals could've and probably should've voted no, but Delta would've just found another way. The fact is they had a huge incentive thanks to Skywest, Pinnacle and Gojets Delta gets cheap feed for years to come
What are you flippin blind? If they agree to be paid less don't you think it'll affect you and your group? It may not be what you agree to , but it's coming your way whether you like it or not in a little over a year. Skywest is a direct contributor to the state of the industry today. That rate reset agreement started out as a little behind the scenes rumble that turned into a tsunami. And for the record, I'm glad I'm not on either of your lists either. All you guys want to do is look at the tip of the iceberg and point fingers. The regional sector started sucking long before the Pinnacle vote. And btw, I voted no. Do you think you all helped it when you started flying those Comair birds? Whatever, karma is great
When you refer to SKW as a direct contributor to the state of the industry I'm not sure what you mean? SKW and XJT(ASA) pilots have long been better compensated then Pinnicle pilots. I will admit you guys were equal for 1-2 years under your pre-concessionary contract but since the beginning of Pinnacle you have always been one of the lowest compensated groups in the industry. You guys were undercutting Mesaba pilots well before Delta.
And us flying Comair birds has nothing to do with us. Delta shut them down and that was after their pilots took pay cuts...hmm. Plus XJT pilots had been better compensated then Comair pilots since 2007.
Just admit you guys sold-out and saved yourselves for some 900's and a interview shot at delta but the whole "we had no choice...its just the tip of the iceberg" argument doesn't carry any weight.
08-12-2013, 04:52 PM
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Again Skywest Inc. agreeing to the rate reset or 2nd lowest cost carrier will not make me agree to lower compensation. Plus Skywest Inc. made 20 million last quarter. Whether thats SKW or XJT makes little difference to me...they choose to operate us separate.
When you refer to SKW as a direct contributor to the state of the industry I'm not sure what you mean? SKW and XJT(ASA) pilots have long been better compensated then Pinnicle pilots. I will admit you guys were equal for 1-2 years under your pre-concessionary contract but since the beginning of Pinnacle you have always been one of the lowest compensated groups in the industry. You guys were undercutting Mesaba pilots well before Delta.
And us flying Comair birds has nothing to do with us. Delta shut them down and that was after their pilots took pay cuts...hmm. Plus XJT pilots had been better compensated then Comair pilots since 2007.
Just admit you guys sold-out and saved yourselves for some 900's and a interview shot at delta but the whole "we had no choice...its just the tip of the iceberg" argument doesn't carry any weight.
When you refer to SKW as a direct contributor to the state of the industry I'm not sure what you mean? SKW and XJT(ASA) pilots have long been better compensated then Pinnicle pilots. I will admit you guys were equal for 1-2 years under your pre-concessionary contract but since the beginning of Pinnacle you have always been one of the lowest compensated groups in the industry. You guys were undercutting Mesaba pilots well before Delta.
And us flying Comair birds has nothing to do with us. Delta shut them down and that was after their pilots took pay cuts...hmm. Plus XJT pilots had been better compensated then Comair pilots since 2007.
Just admit you guys sold-out and saved yourselves for some 900's and a interview shot at delta but the whole "we had no choice...its just the tip of the iceberg" argument doesn't carry any weight.
Talk to us when u actually have a vote.... Oh wait u haven't been in our position?
08-12-2013, 05:10 PM
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Again Skywest Inc. agreeing to the rate reset or 2nd lowest cost carrier will not make me agree to lower compensation. Plus Skywest Inc. made 20 million last quarter. Whether thats SKW or XJT makes little difference to me...they choose to operate us separate.
When you refer to SKW as a direct contributor to the state of the industry I'm not sure what you mean? SKW and XJT(ASA) pilots have long been better compensated then Pinnicle pilots. I will admit you guys were equal for 1-2 years under your pre-concessionary contract but since the beginning of Pinnacle you have always been one of the lowest compensated groups in the industry. You guys were undercutting Mesaba pilots well before Delta.
And us flying Comair birds has nothing to do with us. Delta shut them down and that was after their pilots took pay cuts...hmm. Plus XJT pilots had been better compensated then Comair pilots since 2007.
Just admit you guys sold-out and saved yourselves for some 900's and a interview shot at delta but the whole "we had no choice...its just the tip of the iceberg" argument doesn't carry any weight.
When you refer to SKW as a direct contributor to the state of the industry I'm not sure what you mean? SKW and XJT(ASA) pilots have long been better compensated then Pinnicle pilots. I will admit you guys were equal for 1-2 years under your pre-concessionary contract but since the beginning of Pinnacle you have always been one of the lowest compensated groups in the industry. You guys were undercutting Mesaba pilots well before Delta.
And us flying Comair birds has nothing to do with us. Delta shut them down and that was after their pilots took pay cuts...hmm. Plus XJT pilots had been better compensated then Comair pilots since 2007.
Just admit you guys sold-out and saved yourselves for some 900's and a interview shot at delta but the whole "we had no choice...its just the tip of the iceberg" argument doesn't carry any weight.
08-12-2013, 05:13 PM
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08-12-2013, 05:28 PM
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You guys can blame pinnacle all you want, but the seed was planted with Delta when Skypest inc.agreed to a rate reset of the 2nd lowest carrier. Sure the Pinnacle guys/gals could've and probably should've voted no, but Delta would've just found another way. The fact is they had a huge incentive thanks to Skywest, Pinnacle and Gojets Delta gets cheap feed for years to come
08-12-2013, 05:31 PM
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Again Skywest Inc. agreeing to the rate reset or 2nd lowest cost carrier will not make me agree to lower compensation. Plus Skywest Inc. made 20 million last quarter. Whether thats SKW or XJT makes little difference to me...they choose to operate us separate.
When you refer to SKW as a direct contributor to the state of the industry I'm not sure what you mean? SKW and XJT(ASA) pilots have long been better compensated then Pinnicle pilots. I will admit you guys were equal for 1-2 years under your pre-concessionary contract but since the beginning of Pinnacle you have always been one of the lowest compensated groups in the industry. You guys were undercutting Mesaba pilots well before Delta.
And us flying Comair birds has nothing to do with us. Delta shut them down and that was after their pilots took pay cuts...hmm. Plus XJT pilots had been better compensated then Comair pilots since 2007.
Just admit you guys sold-out and saved yourselves for some 900's and a interview shot at delta but the whole "we had no choice...its just the tip of the iceberg" argument doesn't carry any weight.
When you refer to SKW as a direct contributor to the state of the industry I'm not sure what you mean? SKW and XJT(ASA) pilots have long been better compensated then Pinnicle pilots. I will admit you guys were equal for 1-2 years under your pre-concessionary contract but since the beginning of Pinnacle you have always been one of the lowest compensated groups in the industry. You guys were undercutting Mesaba pilots well before Delta.
And us flying Comair birds has nothing to do with us. Delta shut them down and that was after their pilots took pay cuts...hmm. Plus XJT pilots had been better compensated then Comair pilots since 2007.
Just admit you guys sold-out and saved yourselves for some 900's and a interview shot at delta but the whole "we had no choice...its just the tip of the iceberg" argument doesn't carry any weight.
08-12-2013, 05:36 PM
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