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Old 09-27-2013 | 06:31 PM
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Did your pilot group, or did you pilot group not vote to allow this to happen? I have no idea what company that you work for but I would assume that in some way or another you voted to allow this. Odds are that the details about large RJs were glossed over in favor of more interesting things such as your pay going up again. Not a personal attack at all. Your comment just allowed me to make a point. Thanks for understanding that regionals are not stepping stones.
Which pilot group was I a member of that voted out scope?

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Old 09-27-2013 | 06:38 PM
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I said I did not know what airline you were with and it was not a personal attack. Your comment just allowed me to ask the question. Some pilots did vote out scope. Said pilots still like to grumble about RJs. That is all.
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Old 09-27-2013 | 06:45 PM
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You said it wasn't personal, but it didn't sound that way at all. All good though. I'm a fellow RJ pilot. I don't believe larger RJ's have any place at regional airlines. Those are mainline aircraft, flown on mainline routes. Unless I'm paid at mainline rates, I'm not interested in flying them.
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Old 09-27-2013 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
If the whole USAPA experiment has showed us anything, its that the name of the union might change...but the actual representation the pilot group receives from their elected and appointed peers does not.
I think you just made a case for the anti-ALPA side. If there is no difference in representation, my question would be why have ALPA? What benefit does ALPA specifically bring to the table? I thought it was supposed to be strength in numbers across multiple pilot groups, all pushing towards a common goal, but this is not what ALPA accomplishes.
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Old 09-27-2013 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
It'd sure be easier for regional airlines to be the "stepping stone" they historically have been if mainline pilots would stop ratifying non-concessionary CBAs allowing increasing numbers of increasingly "large small jets" to be outsourced.
This ^^^^ I couldn't have said it any better.
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Old 09-27-2013 | 06:53 PM
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You said it wasn't personal, but it didn't sound that way at all. All good though. I'm a fellow RJ pilot. I don't believe larger RJ's have any place at regional airlines. Those are mainline aircraft, flown on mainline routes. Unless I'm paid at mainline rates, I'm not interested in flying them.
Did we just become best friends? I totally agree.
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Old 09-27-2013 | 06:56 PM
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Did we just become best friends? I totally agree.
It's sad that a pilot group that's making money would accept concessions. What's going to happen when the airline is losing money? How are they gonna say no to concessions? At that point, I'd argue that they deserve it...we'll the yes voters anyway. Sad that the sensible 39% of PSA pilots have to accept this crap.
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Old 09-27-2013 | 07:01 PM
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Ladies please,

Seriously can we please agree ALPA is a complete conflict of interest here ? Brothers and sisters at Expressjet Skywest and Republic. Please stay strong. Look at your numbers know what you are worth. If mother delta calls me tomorrow great, till then ill work hard to leave this a better place I found it.


Kudos to our friends at eagle.
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Old 09-27-2013 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
It'd sure be easier for regional airlines to be the "stepping stone" they historically have been if mainline pilots would stop ratifying non-concessionary CBAs allowing increasing numbers of increasingly "large small jets" to be outsourced.
This +2 ......
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Old 09-27-2013 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
It'd sure be easier for regional airlines to be the "stepping stone" they historically have been if mainline pilots would stop ratifying non-concessionary CBAs allowing increasing numbers of increasingly "large small jets" to be outsourced.
Agree with you 100%. ALPA could serve BOTH the mainline and regional side at one time by doing what you said. Ensure the majority of the jobs are at mainline along with the large small jets. The job protection of the mainline side would be there and protected. The career of the regional pilot would ALSO be protected by keeping the large RJ's at mainline, with the job waiting for the regional pilot. As opposed to the proliferation/expansion of airplanes at the regionals and the stagnation that created. Of course, the post 9/11 BK era throws a major wrench in that .

As far as the bolded part. The "historically" part is getting farther and farther away and possibly never seen again. The stagnation tenure of the regionals now is new "historical".

Originally Posted by FixTheMess
I think you just made a case for the anti-ALPA side. If there is no difference in representation, my question would be why have ALPA? What benefit does ALPA specifically bring to the table? I thought it was supposed to be strength in numbers across multiple pilot groups, all pushing towards a common goal, but this is not what ALPA accomplishes.
If it was as easy as outlined above, imagine how the career would be different? Sucks.......
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