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Why would they willingly consolidate completion. Blink. Blink.
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Having worked for Doug Parker since he came to America West I can tell you that if he said PSA would be gone without this deal then he meant it. He would go right down the line to the next airline and shop those jets to them. Doug is a pure numbers guy, he does not care one bit about anyone employed by his company or the companies he contracts lift out to. We are cogs in the machine. The only good thing is that he runs a tight ship and we make money because he can squeeze costs where he can. Unfortunately, employee compensation is the easiest cost of all to squeeze.
Regionals are contract fliers. If your costs go up you are gone. Right now airline managements have the upper hand because in this era of consolidation there are fewer routes to fly, and no one wants the high cost 30 to 50 seaters we had before, turboprops or turbojets. The only reason anything under 75 seats will remain will be because they are low cost operations that are flying just to keep the airframes moving before they get parked in the desert. In about 3 to 5 years the situation will change again, it always does. The number of big jet retirements will force a change in the way majors deal with their feeders. But for now there is nothing that will stop the majors from playing off their contracted regional flying. I have been around this business for a really long time. The number of regionals that were the top place to work is significant. None of those carriers exist in the same way today, if they exist at all. Comair, anyone? |
Having worked for Doug Parker since he came to America West I can tell you that if he said PSA would be gone without this deal then he meant it. He would go right down the line to the next airline and shop those jets to them. Doug is a pure numbers guy, he does not care one bit about anyone employed by his company or the companies he contracts lift out to. We are cogs in the machine. The only good thing is that he runs a tight ship and we make money because he can squeeze costs where he can. Unfortunately, employee compensation is the easiest cost of all to squeeze. Regionals are contract fliers. If your costs go up you are gone. Right now airline managements have the upper hand because in this era of consolidation there are fewer routes to fly, and no one wants the high cost 30 to 50 seaters we had before, turboprops or turbojets. The only reason anything under 75 seats will remain will be because they are low cost operations that are flying just to keep the airframes moving before they get parked in the desert. In about 3 to 5 years the situation will change again, it always does. The number of big jet retirements will force a change in the way majors deal with their feeders. But for now there is nothing that will stop the majors from playing off their contracted regional flying. I have been around this business for a really long time. The number of regionals that were the top place to work is significant. None of those carriers exist in the same way today, if they exist at all. Comair, anyone? "These guys aren't playing games likePSA did during section 6. It's all about cost for them" this was also one of the reasons given that airways would honor these agreements as written and not **** with us. |
pagey, these guys at psa are one in the same with mainline management, they are employed by U.S.. it all depends how fast you capitulate to them. parker can not go anywhere except to an airline they physically own and control to squeeze for concessions, first everyone should understand that simple fact. second fact, you capitulated and mesa got more crj900's without concessions.
its a poker game, alpa sucks, alpa sold you out, you mec sucked as former eagle mec did and you need stamina. Cactusmike is right about numbers, they have promised mainline pilots a large number of cash and they want to get it from someone else to pay, i.e.; YOU at regional level. If it is cheaper at regionals the jobs aint going to be at mainline, if it was not for retirements, mainlines would not be hiring now as in past and would not for another 8 years, but they too via attrition will shrink and the flying will go to large rj's because you a cheaper than just cheap now. just an opinion based on history and facts. |
Just playing devils advocate here. But really the leases have nothing to do with anything. The leases are under us airways not PSA. Us airways could at anytime have someone else flies the planes.
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Originally Posted by brakechatter
(Post 1493719)
So just so I have it straight, you and Merchant are upset because a pilot group refused to fall on their sword for your idea of what is right and what is wrong?
Welcome to the world of aviation, and you are experiencing what has been predicted by many since regionals did the same undercutting of the majors. Welcome to the party. I'm pretty sure Merchant and I are on opposite sides of this issue. |
also to add that psa, pdt and eagle are owned feeders by a mainline. you do not know what the cost of these three carriers are on a line by line item because they are held private by mainline.
at eagle we have an average one supervisor per three employees, two managers per 5 supervisors. we are top heavy and these are expenses. when aa want to show they are cutting back on management, aa cuts them from aa and shuffles them over to eagle with aa benefits. if this is the same at pdt, psa then why would the pilots take concessions just to keep management employed. if management wants to shuffle aircraft to another carrier, let them, they are doing that with out concessions from both carriers then, the cost have not changed and they were going to do it anyhow. at eagle the mec and negotiators and some base lec's lied to the pilots, the pilots were weak at eagle and conceded concessions and what happened, LAX is flown by SkyWest, 1/3 DFW is flown by ExpressJet and in ORD they are waiting for all 47 E175's to show up flown by Republic. Point is they are going to do it anyway, it is there plan so why support and finance the knife to cut your throat via concessions when they are going to do it anyhow to you. |
Originally Posted by cactusmike
(Post 1494093)
The only reason anything under 75 seats will remain will be because they are low cost operations that are flying just to keep the airframes moving before they get parked in the desert.
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The funny thing about PSA pilots crying they had to vote yes or get shut down in 2020-2021 is that Eagle is facing a shutdown in 2017 or earlier.
All of their ERJs will be returned to lessors by 2017 according to bankruptcy court documents. They also got a letter alluding to a shutdown as soon as they get below 70 airframes. That could happen before 2017. Despite that their representatives, at the direction of their pilot group, turned down concessions. Any way you slice it, Eagle was in a more fire situation then PSA yet PSA voted out of fear. Well done yes voters, well done.... Sorry those PSA voters that voted no will get suffer the back lash cause by the spineless yes voters. |
Originally Posted by brakechatter
(Post 1493719)
So just so I have it straight, you and Merchant are upset because a pilot group refused to fall on their sword for your idea of what is right and what is wrong?
Welcome to the world of aviation, and you are experiencing what has been predicted by many since regionals did the same undercutting of the majors. Welcome to the party. Now 20 years later it is biting them on the oss. I don't want 90 seaters at the regional level. Or 70 for that matter. Hell get rid of the 50's. 10-15 years at a regional only to start at the bottom again at some major. Not my idea of a good career. I didn't start this business, I'm just along for the ride. |
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