Part 117 Rest Rules
12-14-2013 | 04:40 PM
#12
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We have a 4 hour min day, but for some reason they only show it in our payroll software. It hurts us that it is not in the trip credit because it basically forces us to work more. Needless to say I am very disappointed in 117.
12-14-2013 | 04:42 PM
#13
Respek
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This is why there is so much more to contracts than just hourly rates. Thankfully QX has trip rigs or I'd be crediting about 3 hours less on this trip.
12-14-2013 | 04:44 PM
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Got it. How come it shows less credit than block time?
12-14-2013 | 04:47 PM
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Gojet does. 4 hours.
For a calendar day though. So let's say you are scheduled to block in on a Monday night at 23:46. Add 15 minutes of 'debrief' time to that it becomes 0001 on Tuesday. That counts as having worked on Tuesday and the 4 hours doesn't get applied. Even if you block in early payroll would deny it because it was 'scheduled' to be that way.
Needless to say, a lot of days finish at or after 2346 when followed by an extended overnight.
A pilot would get 4 hours of credit for the time spent in btv in the above example though.
For a calendar day though. So let's say you are scheduled to block in on a Monday night at 23:46. Add 15 minutes of 'debrief' time to that it becomes 0001 on Tuesday. That counts as having worked on Tuesday and the 4 hours doesn't get applied. Even if you block in early payroll would deny it because it was 'scheduled' to be that way.
Needless to say, a lot of days finish at or after 2346 when followed by an extended overnight.
A pilot would get 4 hours of credit for the time spent in btv in the above example though.
12-14-2013 | 05:49 PM
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Gojet does. 4 hours.
For a calendar day though. So let's say you are scheduled to block in on a Monday night at 23:46. Add 15 minutes of 'debrief' time to that it becomes 0001 on Tuesday. That counts as having worked on Tuesday and the 4 hours doesn't get applied. Even if you block in early payroll would deny it because it was 'scheduled' to be that way.
Needless to say, a lot of days finish at or after 2346 when followed by an extended overnight.
A pilot would get 4 hours of credit for the time spent in btv in the above example though.
For a calendar day though. So let's say you are scheduled to block in on a Monday night at 23:46. Add 15 minutes of 'debrief' time to that it becomes 0001 on Tuesday. That counts as having worked on Tuesday and the 4 hours doesn't get applied. Even if you block in early payroll would deny it because it was 'scheduled' to be that way.
Needless to say, a lot of days finish at or after 2346 when followed by an extended overnight.
A pilot would get 4 hours of credit for the time spent in btv in the above example though.
12-14-2013 | 06:11 PM
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At ZW I got 16 days off. And the last 8 days of the month off so should be able to pick up a 4 day easily at time and a half and credit well over 100 hours and still have 12+ days at home. I'm pleased so far
12-14-2013 | 08:05 PM
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Horizon has been using most of part 117 rules to build trips for some time now. Our scheduling committee actually builds the trips and lines for the pilots. Even though we haven't had scheduled short overnights for a long time we are still seeing more 30hr overnights popping up. For those of you who had scheduled 8-10 hour overnights and no TAFB rigs your average pay per day is probably going to go down a bit. 
If the schedule builders at your airlines didn't spend much time playing around with the new rules then they are going to produce some cra**y trips. However, once they have a little time to play around and tweak the trips there will most likely be some improvements.
If the schedule builders at your airlines didn't spend much time playing around with the new rules then they are going to produce some cra**y trips. However, once they have a little time to play around and tweak the trips there will most likely be some improvements.
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