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Old 02-04-2014 | 11:04 AM
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That is great for "starting" "college grads". This could be anyone with a basket weaving degree working as a manager at YMCA. I would compare people who have a minimum of a masters degree. The normal pilot earns a bachelors degree then has extensive flight training anywhere from 2-6 additional years. I would use this as your starting point. Look at doctors and lawyers. Both are specialized and skilled. Anybody with any degree can be a manager at best buy. That same manager can't just hop into a Jet with 99 other lives at stake or diagnose you with cancer. Same could be said about any doctor or lawyer. This is a specialized skill that takes extensive education and dedication. Also, i'm comparing NYC not Billings Montana.
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Old 02-04-2014 | 11:19 AM
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Physician Family Practice Salary in New York, NY | Indeed.com
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Old 02-04-2014 | 11:19 AM
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You can use your own statement against you however. "An excessive desire for more, well above and beyond what you need," there are people who live quite well on less than 50k a year. In fact 50k puts you right at the mean national household income. It's all relative.
What is the average income of a college educated skilled professional in NYC, ORD, MIA and DFW? Answer- $260,000.

50k does put you at the average of uneducated welfare recipients and Walmart workers. Would you like fries with that?
Looks like you need to go back to school so you too can make 260,000 right out of college.
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http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=77
So I will say it again. I ALSO think we as pilots should fight for more income. But maybe before you start crying you should look at where we already stand compared to other jobs. Even as an FO I make more than quite a few of my college educated friends. I also make less than quite a few of them those I make less than also don't have the earning potential I do.
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Old 02-04-2014 | 11:27 AM
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Hence the world "specialized." I could go manage a best buy tomorrow.
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Old 02-04-2014 | 03:34 PM
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Hence the world "specialized." I could go manage a best buy tomorrow.
Since you insist on comparing pilots to dr's think of regionals as residency.
Medical residency salary in USA

A resident physician in the United States receives an average annual salary ranging from between $41,526 – $62,856. In addition, a bonus of about $5, 000 will be credited to his or her account. In fact, a resident physician receives his or her total earnings ranging from between $41,699 – $62,647 per annum.

Or are residents not specialized?
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Old 02-04-2014 | 04:30 PM
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Since you insist on comparing pilots to dr's think of regionals as residency.
Medical residency salary in USA

A resident physician in the United States receives an average annual salary ranging from between $41,526 – $62,856. In addition, a bonus of about $5, 000 will be credited to his or her account. In fact, a resident physician receives his or her total earnings ranging from between $41,699 – $62,647 per annum.

Or are residents not specialized?
lol you mad? There is no point trying to reason with you. "resident" or "flight instructing." I'm trying to help you rj guys out a little. I'll get back to my productive life. Have fun.
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Old 02-04-2014 | 04:45 PM
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Yes, I suppose greed is relative. Side note, I would welcome $50,000/year graciously, but my latest W-2 was half that. Fortunately, I don't have any significant debt, student loans, children, or live in an expensive city, so I get by ok.

Don't let these pilots take what is yours, Mr. Parker. They are just greedy sloths. Establish your dominance over them, and put them in their place. Show them they are are replaceable, and nothing more than a tool of of the company. Make them fear you. Fear is stronger than respect.
Some objective observations. First, your W-2 was 25K for the year if I read your post correctly. Let's not forget that you obviously AGREED to that wage. In other words, regardless of whether or not you think you deserve more pay, at present time you agree to exchange your skill set for said wages. Nobody is forcing you to stay where you are.

Second, you are greedy - because that is human nature and not something that only exists at the corporate level. No matter how much you end up making one day, I have a hard time believing you would ever turn down down a penny more.

Third, those big bonuses the "evil" airline execs give themselves every year are because pilots let them do it. The "this job is cooler than anything else I'm willing to fly jets for practically free" attitude is the reason airline managers can do what they do - you let them.
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Old 02-04-2014 | 04:56 PM
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The two careers just don't fit to compare. Dr's spend much longer I school than pilots do. The felid is a lot more competitive. I am willing to bet you didn't apply to 10 flight schools before being accepted. You don't even have to have a 4 year degree to be a regional pilot. There are no 6 months to be a real Dr programs. I agree with you however in the fact this conversation has reached its conclusion.
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Old 02-04-2014 | 05:38 PM
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Oh please...I know a god damn barback in NYC that makes $50 a year. No 121 pilot should be making less then a barback!
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Old 02-04-2014 | 05:45 PM
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Chip,

As long as scads of pilots agree to wrk for less than a "barback" wages will be what they are. Companies shouldn't be expected to pay more than what individuals are willing to work for.

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