Just incredible. A flow through with starvation wages for years waiting to flow? Hoping enough people leave so you can upgrade to have a respectable paycheck. NO airline pilot should have to be a captain to feed their family. None. What's the point people? They're out of options. Don't fall for it. The only "flow" that should be agreed to at any company seeking new hires or retention at this point is a mainline seniority number with some kind of a position freeze. Like the frozen ATP but with your mainline number being the frozen item. Any other ideas for retention are a fools errand.

 

Are the other regional carriers having difficulty finding qualified pilots?
Every regional carrier in the industry is having a difficult time attracting and retaining qualified pilots. The idea that any other carrier is aggressively expanding is absurd.

What is the company’s stated intention in the event we fail to agree to their concessions?
The company has made it clear that they intend to shift our flying, and the refleeting aircraft to other carriers. Attrition will shrink Eagle to a size to a point where it is cheaper to shut down the airline entirely.

So the airplanes are going to go to another regional that can't meet their staffing requirements? Makes perfect sense.

 

Exactly. A ton of the usual FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) being spread by management, their allies among the pilot group, and those unwittingly letting their emotions being manipulated - at a time when it couldn't be less justified. The FUD was perhaps justifiable after 9/11 or in 2008, and even then there wasn't the clamor for concessions there is today. It's really incredible. Seriously, if we can't say no to concessions under THESE conditions - regionals unable to staff, airlines making money hand over fist - when exactly *wouldn't* we say no!?

 

I'm thinking the same thing results very similar to XJET with a 70/80% NO.

However I am skeptical on whether or not this goes to the pilots to vote, I think it's going to be close.

With AAG having 10 Billion in cash, their stocks at almost 36$ and all these aircraft purchases, it would be insane accepting any form of concessions. 10 years with no amendment round, 12/4 Caps and 1.80 per some that doesn't account for inflation...NO.

Oh almost forgot...we were told Eagle uhh Envoy would park airplanes to honor their flow commitment...what a joke!!!NO

 

the other feeders will be having difficulty hiring and aag will park airplanes to honor the flow, scam, big scam.

vote no

 

Good question!!!

For the life of me, I can't figure out why regional employees of all types are being told that their compensation, which is a literal FRACTION of what mainline employees of the same job description make, is mysteriously unsustainable and needs to be even *further lowered.* All while record profits and difficulty finding pilots and mechanics is full public knowledge.

Who is kidding who?

Thank God we have the ability to communicate and share ideas as easily as we do now, to better coordinate and fight management's attempts at dividing and conquering regional employees.

 

No, Don't vote no, have your MEC draft a counter-offer to management demanding pay raises and quality of life improvements to the current contract!!!

If that fails, vote NO!!!!!!! We're all counting on you!

 

Just don't count to hard on the ord base, free wages and fars would be excepted at this base.

 

some thoughts about needed changes to final language

AA has done it before about going to a manufacturer and asking for a new airplane(EMB-140) so I keep telling the union we need something along the lines of instead of E-175 say (all future Embraer deliveries greater than 50 seats up to the APA scope limit size so AAG cant ask Embraer to build a E-172 or E-177 or whatever Lets protect ourselves now rather than getting screwed in arbitration

second we currently are owed 50% and in months that AAG hires less than 40 they have to "true up" to get back to the 50% with a lot of retirements around the corner and SOC in say 18-24 months which will then mean even more new hires(US+AA) hiring might be upwards of 120/month so how is 360/1440 pilots better than the 35% the group after the 824 have right now. the 824 should all be gone before SOC so the 50% should not be in effect. It is frustrating that there is no language that has a hard defined penalty for AAG violating any of this agreement. Say they dont do 30/month because they cant get new hires and right now it goes to arbitration, we know how well that works. why not if 30/month doesnt happen then seniority numbers get assigned and then everyone on eagle property gets $500/month since CA arent moving on and FO arent upgrading. that will discourage them holding people back. Who here really believes Eagle would park airplanes just to allow guys to flow.


Everyone need to write their reps and demand protective language, financial penalties, hard seniority numbers , etc to make it cost prohibitive for AAG and/or eagle from violating deal. this company has always been ok with violating the contract if it can save them say $10 million now and they'll apologize to an arbitrator in 3-7 years and then give ALPA a $5 mil apology meanwhile $$$$$$ has come directly out of the pilots pockets and dramatically effected their livelihood

 

This statement right here tells me that the company has no intent on honoring this section. We all know how this industry can turn in a period of one day due to world events. Do you really think they will park brand new E-Jets to honor this section? I don't. Not for a second!!!