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Old 02-12-2014, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck25 View Post
But is it possible they just shut down the routes and get smaller with no pay increase?
Sure thats possible. In fact, I believe that is what the management at Eagle has said it will have to do if the pilots did not accept the concessionary contract. However, that is a vicious cycle and the cause of the whipsaw. If you have not looked at that website I'd encourage you to do so. It's called stopthewhipsaw.com. It will give you some insight as to exactly why the Eagle Pilot Group's rejection of a concessionary contract is good for all of us.

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Old 02-12-2014, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Bzzt View Post
It was going to shrink but new blood would have been available meaning an upgrade would have eventually happened. As it stands now no one is applying, our contract is bad and we have no reasonable expectation of an upgrade for new hires. This is something the no voters never seemed to understand.
seriously, you think an increase in flow was gonna get you new bodies??? Think id leave my current regional to come sit at the bottom of your list for 5-7 years in hopes of a flow. Newsflash a flow won't help you get new bodies.

Look at the industry, none can hire the amounts of pilots they need..
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Old 02-12-2014, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck25 View Post
But is it possible they just shut down the routes and get smaller with no pay increase?
Hmmmm, that has been happening at eagle for three years now, so your point is?
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Old 02-12-2014, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus View Post
Ahh, allow me to provide the translation for those having difficulty reading between the lines.

Originally Posted by Comm Chair Speak
The Eagle MEC today realized that besides senior lifers who might regretfully agree to concessions for the sake of their families, they also represent functionally retarded pilots such as the one who posts under the screenname "Bzzt" at APC. These mental midgets believed all of AAGs threats despite a historic shortage of pilots at the regional carriers, and were willing to vote yes to any old piece of crap on the idea that 1500 hour pilots were magically going to materialize out of thin air to work for a concessionary contract and get Bzzt his upgrade.

Accordingly, the Eagle MEC decided that as they were elected as representatives, they ought to "represent" rather than pass the buck onto the voters, in case the lack of mental fortitude demonstrated by voters like Bzzt was more widespread than they thought. They went beyond a simple "no" to tell management "f*ck no, are you f*cking stupid or do you not read the f*cking newspapers!?" through their vote, and passed the job of translating this message onto me, your Communications Committee Chairman.

Therefore, I am calling AAG out on their threats. You say you're going to liquidate? OK jokers, we'll take you on your word. Go ahead - liquidate if you can! Meanwhile, we'll see if you can even keep up with our rate of attrition. Chances are, within a year you'll be coming to us to look at upping first year pay because you can't even attract enough pilots to staff the flying we still have. Suck it, a$$hat$!

Congrats for doing the right thing, Eagle MEC. Together with the XJT vote and all the press lately about how low pay has created the pilot shortage, I think you just did something huge and potentially transformative for our profession. Thank you.
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Old 02-12-2014, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Bzzt View Post
Why would I care if this job is good for people 15 years from now? All I care about is if it's good for me, I sure as hell wouldn't let my child become a pilot. The AIP was good for me as it got me on the left seat faster, everything else is irrelevant.
It's this kind of thinking and selfishness that has lead to us working for peanuts.

I bet you're the guy that would cross the picket line too if it benefited you.....scab!


Congrats Eagle guys and gals, way to call managements bluff....your MEC should counter with pay increases to keep you from quitting!!!!
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Old 02-12-2014, 06:16 PM
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Thank you Eagle!! Drinks on me!!

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Old 02-12-2014, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by skypilot35 View Post
Sure thats possible. In fact, I believe that is what the management at Eagle has said it will have to do if the pilots did not accept the concessionary contract. However, that is a vicious cycle and the cause of the whipsaw. If you have not looked at that website I'd encourage you to do so. It's called stopthewhipsaw.com. It will give you some insight as to exactly why the Eagle Pilot Group's rejection of a concessionary contract is good for all of us.

Hope that helps
Thanks for the response will check it out
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Old 02-12-2014, 06:21 PM
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I have some free time later this week, I'll go ahead and throw up www.stopthepityparty.com website for the few on this thread who need it.
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Old 02-12-2014, 06:25 PM
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Nothing I have posted here has ever been intended for pity. More of a warning to those perspective applicants to this awful career of just how miserable it can make your life. I have never been so miserable as the period of my life I've spent in the regional airlines, take that for what it's worth.

Edit: This website is an outlet for my frustration, sorry to those it bothers.
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Old 02-12-2014, 06:26 PM
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Well done! You guys rock!!!!
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