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Old 02-12-2014, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by PCL_128 View Post
Actually, I would wager that their communication was a bluff of their own. In other words, "we aren't buying your ^&*%, management, so let's see what you've got!"

I don't know whether it'll end up being a smart move or not. But I don't think they're buying management's claims.
Someone gets it. Apparently the subtleties were lost on some who took it way too literal.
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Old 02-12-2014, 03:02 PM
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Good job guys! Please remember what history teaches us:

If we (Envoy &
XJT) are threatened with shutdown...
  • Comair took 5 years to shut down after voting NO
  • This occurred during a PILOT SURPLUS at all levels
  • They had only 1,400 pilots, combined we have 7,800
It'll take 20 years to wind us both down if we all vote NO, on the off-chance that management is using an idle-threat strategy for negotiations. We should all be retired or flying for our target airlines by then.

NO's all around until we see a fair and livable, and attractive wage.
Well said sir
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Old 02-12-2014, 03:04 PM
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Subtext is lost on this fellow.

I want to play poker with him sometime.
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Old 02-12-2014, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PCL_128 View Post
Actually, I would wager that their communication was a bluff of their own. In other words, "we aren't buying your ^&*%, management, so let's see what you've got!"

I don't know whether it'll end up being a smart move or not. But I don't think they're buying management's claims.
THIS!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 02-12-2014, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by snippercr View Post
Someone gets it. Apparently the subtleties were lost on some who took it way too literal.
I think it's hilarious how secretive you guys think this all is. It's business not some hardy boys novel, you don't need to play detective and read between the lines.
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Old 02-12-2014, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Bzzt View Post
I think it's hilarious how secretive you guys think this all is. It's business not some hardy boys novel, you don't need to play detective and read between the lines.
You're right! Only need to rub 2 brain cells together to understand the intent of this comm piece.
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Old 02-12-2014, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Bzzt View Post
Upgrades and flow. New hires look at that way more than a strong contract, just look at who is still finding new hires in the current market (PSA, Compass, Mesa). 90% of the guys who go to regionals do so to do their time and move on, not make a career of their garbage regional.

Edit: forgot to mention Skywest, they seem to have the best of both worlds.
Compass new hires don't get flow up rights. Upgrades are never a guarantee. So don't add Compass to that list. You should give new pilots more credit. Most of them now-a-days do look at a strong contract when deciding on a regional.
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Old 02-12-2014, 03:14 PM
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Good work!
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Old 02-12-2014, 03:16 PM
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Compass new hires don't get flow up rights. Upgrades are never a guarantee. So don't add Compass to that list. You should give new pilots more credit. Most of them now-a-days do look at a strong contract when deciding on a regional.
Is that how Mesa and PSA are filling classes? I do agree about Compass though, their contract is better than what Eagle/Envoy has and they have the opportunity for upgrades.
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