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Old 12-17-2006 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by groovinaviator
All of those "zero to hero" overnight programs are the same bottom of the barrell crap! Anything that has a garunteed interview/job in the right seat of a turbine aircraft at 300 hours is ridiculous. I don't believe captains are paid nearly enough to babysit!

Gulfstream Academy, Meas Pilot Development, Jet university.... they are all the same-- stay away
be sure to include ALL ATP in that same category. nice post groovin'
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Old 12-17-2006 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by LAfrequentflyer
ATP is not in that group. They offer an excellent training package for a fixed price. If you are interested in being an airline pilot give ATP a serious look.

-LAFF
apparently you are not as familiar with some of their alumn as I am
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Old 12-17-2006 | 06:16 PM
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apparently you are not as familiar with some of their alumn as I am
There 90-day wizz-kids are rediculous. If these guys had to go to the FSDO for their checkrides their failure rate would easily be 60%.

No ATP grad will ever jumpseat when I'm captain.
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Old 12-17-2006 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DMEarc
No ATP grad will ever jumpseat when I'm captain.
I haved noticed on here the people that are the most up-tight about "their" jumpseats, are the people who have no authority to deny a jumpseat... just an observation.

I flew jumpseated with an crew the other day and the FO thought he was "Billy-BadAzz" or something... it was really kinda pathetic.

Hang on to your convictions, but don't be that guy...
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Old 12-17-2006 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by groovinaviator
I haved noticed on here the people that are the most up-tight about "their" jumpseats, are the people who have no authority to deny a jumpseat... just an observation.

I flew jumpseated with an crew the other day and the FO thought he was "Billy-BadAzz" or something... it was really kinda pathetic.

Hang on to your convictions, but don't be that guy...
Good observation, because I think you're right. I just think ATP guys are not held to the standards the rest of us are.

With that being said, if they make it through 121 training, by all means they're every bit as equal.
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Old 12-17-2006 | 06:34 PM
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Dmbinhburg, What do you do for living? What you do is trivial really. Tomorrow, I'm calling your boss, then I'm going to offer to give him $20k to train for your job, and then I'm going to do the job for free. See where I'm going with this?
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Old 12-17-2006 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DMBinHBurg
This seems like a much better training enviroment than just flying around the pattern at your local airport building time.
That's the problem right there. 121 flying with passengers is not a training environment. People are paying money to get to their destinations with pro. pilots flying them, not one Pro. pilot/flight instructor and one student. I know there is a fine line between student and new hire these days, but GIA doesn't even attempt to blur it. One captain, and one student. Inapropriate.
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Old 12-17-2006 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DMEarc
Good observation, because I think you're right. I just think ATP guys are not held to the standards the rest of us are.

With that being said, if they make it through 121 training, by all means they're every bit as equal.
So which is it? Obviously they made it through 121 training if the are requesting a jump seat on "your airplane", so that would make them "every bit as equal" and worthy of the jumpseat. But yet they are still an ATP grad. No ATP grads will jumpseat when you are captain remember? Are you going to ask every jump seater where they went to flight school? So no Gulfstreamers, ATPers, who else will the almighty deny a jump seat to? Get a life.
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Old 12-17-2006 | 07:09 PM
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Great point g2tt.
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Old 12-17-2006 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DMEarc
Good observation, because I think you're right. I just think ATP guys are not held to the standards the rest of us are.

With that being said, if they make it through 121 training, by all means they're every bit as equal.
That's the problem. I know of three females in particular who went there and took a bridge program to XJT. I know guys like LAFF don't get it, but these gals have no bidness driving a car, let alone flying a plane.
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