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Old 02-13-2014 | 04:19 AM
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I don't understand what's wrong with this article. Part 117 WAS a knee jerk reaction and not based on anything. It's actually a good article compared to some of the other ill informed aviation writing I've read recently.
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Old 02-13-2014 | 04:32 AM
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I agree it's a well written article. I like the 1500 rule for personal reasons because it raises the demand and value of Regional FOs much earlier than expected.

Safety wise is it a logical rule? Absolutely not. It was a knee jerk reaction. There are plenty of University and ATP Flight school grads with less than 1000 hours that have the skills to be competent FOs. It's about the training, not the flight time.

Calling this reporter ignorant is well, ignorant
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Old 02-13-2014 | 04:40 AM
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I agree it's a well written article. I like the 1500 rule for personal reasons because it raises the demand and value of Regional FOs much earlier than expected.

Safety wise is it a logical rule? Absolutely not. It was a knee jerk reaction. There are plenty of University and ATP Flight school grads with less than 1000 hours that have the skills to be competent FOs. It's about the training, not the flight time.

Calling this reporter ignorant is well, ignorant
I was fine with it until the last couple paragraphs about cheyenne and GLA. She needs to do a little more fact finding there...We all know why GLA is having trouble. People have to drive for 2 hours to Denver? O the humanity

They'd probably want to drive anyway if the found out that their FO was making 15 grand and their captain maybe 30.
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Old 02-13-2014 | 04:40 AM
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That looks like an Ana 787 delivery flight. Japanese pilots wear white gloves when they fly. It's tradition I guess.
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Old 02-13-2014 | 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by DirkDiggler
The Pilot Shortage Made in Congress | National Review Online

This article made me so mad I just sent her a very nasty email requesting she redact the entire article.

Her email is: [email protected]

We need to squash the ignorance in the news.
Thanks for sharing. I won't sent a nasty gram, but I will send something.

Also, Mesabah-I wouldn't go saying this hasn't affected pay yet. There are bonuses being offered (yes, just a band aid), Silver just upped pay, and it is early in 2014. I'm curious to see how much more market share Legacy airline management is willing to lose. Maybe not all the flying will be covered, but someone likely will step in.


P.S. Two things that do particularly annoy me though-
1. She doesn't reference being a pilot of ANY level.
2. I hate the argument people drive like idiots, therefore we NEED to make flying dirt cheap.
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Old 02-13-2014 | 05:18 AM
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Before the new flight-time rules for pilots kicked in, plane travel was already the safest it had been in the entire history of aviation. By the latest airline-industry count, there’s only one major accident for every 5 million flights on Western-built jets. Even in plane crashes, 95.7 percent of passengers survive, as CNN has reported. The New York Times has reported that “in the last five years, the death risk for passengers in the United States has been one in 45 million flights.”

Such bad policy has real consequences, which are already playing out. Last summer in my hometown of Cheyenne, Wyo., the tiny regional airport had to temporarily suspend 30 working pilots because they had not yet met the 1,500-hour requirement. And earlier this month, it announced it was suspending service to six airports because it couldn’t find enough pilots who met the FAA standards.

Those who once would have flown out of Cheyenne will now be forced to commute to Denver International Airport, about two hours’ drive away. Perhaps some of them will forgo air travel altogether and take a road trip. Keep in mind that between January and June 2013, 15,470 people died in motor-vehicle crashes in the United States; in 2012, only 475 people worldwide died in plane crashes (in comparison, the World Health Organization has reported that 1.24 million people across the world died in car crashes last year). Globally, fewer people die from air travel than die by using right-handed equipment when you’re a lefty, especially when it’s a power saw; by being crushed by televisions or furniture; or by getting a brain-eating parasite.


Though well-intentioned, the new rule does more harm than good, creating an additional and altogether unnecessary barrier to entry for much-needed pilots. Such are the perils of legislation by emotional reaction.

— Jillian Kay Melchior writes for National Review as a Thomas L. Rhodes Fellow for the Franklin Center. She is also a senior fellow for the Independent Women’s Forum.

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AND YOU SHOULD HAVE TO PAY for that service. But people wanna have their cake and eat it too. Low fares is what you want, but now the market can't support cheap labor...cry me a fu**in river.
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Old 02-13-2014 | 05:54 AM
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Anyone who thinks this article makes sense has no sense of their own.

Go to any descent paying airlines HR department and ask if they don't have a stack of resumes from the floor to the ceiling of pilots ready to come on board.

If I set a rat trap with no cheese and don't catch any rats...how the hell am I gonna argue there are no rats?. Stupid sheep some people are!!!
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Old 02-13-2014 | 06:37 AM
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The more we can do to restrict the supply of pilots, the better it will be for the pilots currently employed. Doctors have known this for generations. Lawyers not so much. In these two examples there is a demand for one but a glut of the other, and salaries adjust accordingly.

The "National Review," is an anti-regulation conservative magazine that your grandfather reads. And your MBA's. It's not surprising that they have this opinion. The people they write for want this (and most) regulations repealed so that "the market" can set prices and salaries.

Follow the money.
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Old 02-13-2014 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by RV5M
I don't understand what's wrong with this article. Part 117 WAS a knee jerk reaction and not based on anything. It's actually a good article compared to some of the other ill informed aviation writing I've read recently.
Not based on anything? Have you read the NPRM? A mountain of studies and statistics were used to craft the new rules. 117, 61.156, .160, etc. - all are backed by inarguable industry data. Hardly knee jerk.
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Old 02-13-2014 | 07:51 AM
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The ATP rule was forged presumably to prevent accidents like Colgans from happening again. Problem is the law was not science or research based in anyway, it was a total political knee jerk reaction and the article correctly states that. The law's unintended (or perhaps intended) consequence was putting a flow restrictor into the airline's new pilot pipeline. This has given us leverage by limiting the supply side of things, and it is a good thing for the profession. So of you wanna demand that article be removed because you want to keep the public thinking its a needed law, well go on ahead, it benefits us all for them to think that. But at least lets say it how it is on these forums. Either way, heart of the issue is entry level pay and the article missed it.
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