The Regionals are NOT desperate
02-28-2014 | 02:31 PM
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Martin, most regionals will balk at any number of perceived issues besides checkride busts or the proverbial skeleton in the closet. Some other factors may be
• skill or knowledge weakness exhibited at the interview
• race-gender-religion (EEO) mismatch to company needs
• age (old)
• perceived likely to resign soon
• personality
• background (ie. type of flying)
• credentials not in order
The operating phrase is "who will make us money with the least trouble". You may be an excellent pilot but also one who does not fit the company in any of a hundred ways. Airlines interview potential candidates every week for years on end, and you can be sure they have a clear idea of who they prefer.
• skill or knowledge weakness exhibited at the interview
• race-gender-religion (EEO) mismatch to company needs
• age (old)
• perceived likely to resign soon
• personality
• background (ie. type of flying)
• credentials not in order
The operating phrase is "who will make us money with the least trouble". You may be an excellent pilot but also one who does not fit the company in any of a hundred ways. Airlines interview potential candidates every week for years on end, and you can be sure they have a clear idea of who they prefer.
02-28-2014 | 02:38 PM
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GAO Report: Too Few Pilots or Too Little Pay?
02-28-2014 | 02:47 PM
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... but Endeavor only hired 8 pilots this year according to someone who works there a few days ago, and yet there are 109,465 eligible pilots in the US competing for only 66,000 total airline jobs, a figure which also includes every US major airline job.
GAO Report: Too Few Pilots or Too Little Pay?
GAO Report: Too Few Pilots or Too Little Pay?
The point I was making is that the hiring process has absolutely no rhyme or reason!
02-28-2014 | 06:01 PM
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You'll never get a straight answer to this question because everyone here is perfect. It's not just about a warm body to fill a seat. I'm sure the hiring managers know who best succeeds at their company and maybe people with twin otter jump plane time isn't what they are looking for? The person who comes here to complain isn't going to show their full deck of cards. Like I've said before, just because there is a shortage doesn't mean everyone gets to play. They would rather park airplanes than waste thousands of dollars on untrainable candidates or people with attitude problems who they'll have to fire after year one.
You just won't hear much on the forums because these people are probably not wanting to get monkey piled on by trolls. I think in these cases, mess up fess up was the key. Why are some people who are supposedly clean not getting hired? I can't really add to what other people have posted...pretty much covered.
02-28-2014 | 06:11 PM
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Martin, most regionals will balk at any number of perceived issues besides checkride busts or the proverbial skeletons in the closet. Some other factors may be
• skill or knowledge weakness exhibited at the interview
• race-gender-religion (EEO) mismatch to company needs
• age (old)
• perceived likely to resign soon
• personality
• background (ie. type of flying)
• credentials not in order
The operating phrase is "who will make us money with the least trouble". You may be an excellent pilot but also one who does not fit the company profile in any of a hundred ways. Airlines interview potential candidates for years on end and they collect tons of data. They have a clear idea whom they prefer.
• skill or knowledge weakness exhibited at the interview
• race-gender-religion (EEO) mismatch to company needs
• age (old)
• perceived likely to resign soon
• personality
• background (ie. type of flying)
• credentials not in order
The operating phrase is "who will make us money with the least trouble". You may be an excellent pilot but also one who does not fit the company profile in any of a hundred ways. Airlines interview potential candidates for years on end and they collect tons of data. They have a clear idea whom they prefer.
Most regionals are too dysfunctional to get that far into the weeds. The best regionals will apply some filters for pilots skill and personality because they really don't want a crash. The worst regionals don't worry about crashing (that's what insurance and BK court are for). They're just looking for seat meat (that will stick around long enough to justify the training cost).
As somebody said, I wouldn't be surprised if some outfits actually prefer a skeleton or two.
02-28-2014 | 07:36 PM
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At my old flight school we used to say that DUIs were a pre-requisite for a management or check pilot position. The school knew those pilots weren't going anywhere so they wouldn't need to be replaced for a while.
02-28-2014 | 07:49 PM
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No, not true. It said QUALIFIED. As in, ATP or ATP mins and a written. How many foreigners that are leaving when finishing training fit that description?
03-01-2014 | 04:28 AM
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Ah gotcha, missed that part. I knowplenty of guys for whom flying is now a second job... they bid reserve, fly as little aspossible, ino rder to nurture their own business, just waiting for the day they can finally leave for good.
03-01-2014 | 04:42 AM
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I can do you one better: In early 2011, RAH hired a 64.5 year old pilot. That's right, SIX MONTHS before retirement, and this was at the start of class; so this person would be good for three months.
03-01-2014 | 04:47 AM
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Majors, yes.
Most regionals are too dysfunctional to get that far into the weeds. The best regionals will apply some filters for pilots skill and personality because they really don't want a crash. The worst regionals don't worry about crashing (that's what insurance and BK court are for). They're just looking for seat meat (that will stick around long enough to justify the training cost).
As somebody said, I wouldn't be surprised if some outfits actually prefer a skeleton or two.
Most regionals are too dysfunctional to get that far into the weeds. The best regionals will apply some filters for pilots skill and personality because they really don't want a crash. The worst regionals don't worry about crashing (that's what insurance and BK court are for). They're just looking for seat meat (that will stick around long enough to justify the training cost).
As somebody said, I wouldn't be surprised if some outfits actually prefer a skeleton or two.
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