Originally Posted by Pilotpip (Post 1594313)

Guess what the assessment (you voted for) did? It hired an attorney who specializes in labor contracts. Maybe you should have been paying a little more attention because this was before CM decided to use the negotiating committee as his personal revenge platform. Maybe you should have payed a little attention years ago when Sowell and Moline were spending thousands of your dollars making non-binding handshake deals that left your contract so open to interpretation by the company it's not worth the paper it's printed on.

Originally Posted by Pilotpip (Post 1594313)

Guess what the assessment (you voted for) did? It hired an attorney who specializes in labor contracts. Maybe you should have been paying a little more attention because this was before CM decided to use the negotiating committee as his personal revenge platform. Maybe you should have payed a little attention years ago when Sowell and Moline were spending thousands of your dollars making non-binding handshake deals that left your contract so open to interpretation by the company it's not worth the paper it's printed on.

Originally Posted by Loon (Post 1593920)

I'm a YES vote

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1594250)

8,000,000 sigining bonus. About 2200 pilots? About $3600 per pilot? That's less than the new hire bonus. Wow. This thing is atrocious. It should get voted down 95-5. IBT should be decertified for taking the companies offer and putting it in TA form without even negotiating.

Originally Posted by spuzzyair (Post 1594240)

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Originally Posted by WeaselBoy


Utipia? Is that when UltiPro works perfectly?



Signing bonus needs to be above what they are giving to the new hires off the street. Period.



And? I'm willing to send this back to the Company to get it fixed. This will easily be a seven year contract, if not ten. I get we are not going to have a mainline contract, but at the end of the day, my paycheck needs to be slightly higher than what SkyWest is making now.

Right now this contract doesn't even cover the inflation from the 2003 CBA.

The Company is desperate to get this contract done. They'll be just as desperate after we vote this one down.

I'd rather wait six months to a year for a decent contract to work under for the next seven years than start a crappy contract tomorrow.



We pay the least amount of dues than any other unionized carrier. If you feel that is too much, you can resign your union membership at any time.
How can I resign my union membership? | National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation

Of course, after you do that you don't get to vote yes, or no, on any contract, LOA, etc.




You feel you deserve to be paid more than SkyWest, or you are saying in order for it to keep people from leaving and to attracting new hires it needs to pay more than SkyWest??

Originally Posted by ThrustMonkey (Post 1594659)

I would love....LOVE to see you break down each section of that craptastic TA and explain why you think each bullet point warrants a yes vote. No seriously, I DARE you! No more general "I'm a yes vote" or "I'm voting it in because I have a hard-on for CM, the IBT and all that it entails". Just and intelligent, logical, point by point breakdown of each proposal and why you think it benefits the pilot group so much so it deserves a thumbs up. You owe it to the rest of that pilot group why you are about to slap each one of them in the face after 7 years of heartache. Shame on you.

Originally Posted by Loon (Post 1594600)

I voted against it: no expiration date.

Originally Posted by loon (Post 1594600)

It hired a lawyer? Then why is every update signed by CA DS and CA EG? Can you answer me that, sir? Our NC is pilots; you obviously don't work here. Go fishing or go do what one is supposed to when retired.