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Old 03-04-2014 | 10:28 AM
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If "the union" was actually a union rather than 2000 people complaining about the couple dozen who actually try to make a difference, this TA might have come a lot quicker and looked a lot better.
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Old 03-04-2014 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Hetman
If "the union" was actually a union rather than 2000 people complaining about the couple dozen who actually try to make a difference, this TA might have come a lot quicker and looked a lot better.
Thats BS. There isnt anything anyone could have done to get a ta quicker and certainly not better. These select few drafted and fully support a ta that ****ed off over 2000 pilots simultaneously. The complaining is expected and justified. We would have been better off remaining at a stalemate.
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Old 03-04-2014 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguy23
Thats BS. There isnt anything anyone could have done to get a ta quicker and certainly not better. These select few drafted and fully support a ta that ****ed off over 2000 pilots simultaneously. The complaining is expected and justified. We would have been better off remaining at a stalemate.
This is true, but voting yes on that pos ta just because you (not you personally) are tired of waiting is BEYOND foolish and irresponsible.
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Old 03-04-2014 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy23
Thats BS. There isnt anything anyone could have done to get a ta quicker and certainly not better. These select few drafted and fully support a ta that ****ed off over 2000 pilots simultaneously. The complaining is expected and justified. We would have been better off remaining at a stalemate.
Sooo, what you are saying is that 2000 people are supposed to complain about the efforts of a couple dozen who are trying to make a difference? I am sure that will solve everything.

You do not understand the concept of a union. That lack of understanding on your part, as well as the 1999 others, is the reason what you mistakenly call "the union" is unable to meet your strident demands for what you believe others should deliver to you without any effort other than paying dues.

The bylaws contain a procedure for recalling the leadership. Instead of whining on the internet about how you have been failed, recall and replace the leadership and do the job right.

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Old 03-04-2014 | 04:19 PM
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Oh you must be a union volunteer. Thats the party line these days right? If you dont volunteer, you have no right to criticize? Its an old and very tired line union guys love to use. You volunteered to be a leader and do a job on behalf of the members. That job entails receiving criticism and praise as all leadership positions do. If you didnt want that, you shouldnt have taken a position where you are guaranteed to get it. Its the extreme arrogance of thinking you are right when your entire membership is against you that got our current volunteers in this mess. The 2000 you have a problem with contain some extremely intelligent and experienced people who pay for their right to express how they feel. Volunteering is not a pre req.
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Old 03-04-2014 | 04:30 PM
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One more thing, 2000 are most definitely supposed to complain when a dozen union members are leading the group down a dangerous path. Blindly following union leaders, volunteer or not, is a one way ticket to corruption and theft that we saw not long ago. People have such short memories. Arrogance is not a strong enough word to describe how you feel about this.
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Old 03-04-2014 | 05:15 PM
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Volunteer? For a committee? That is lame and everyone knows it. This is not about an individual failing to volunteer; it is about a bargaining unit failing to be a union.

If you are unhappy with your leadership the mechanism is in place to correct that.

So correct it.

Or you can whine on the internet. Your choice.
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Old 03-04-2014 | 05:34 PM
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One more thing: BB & co are playing you like a drum.
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Old 03-04-2014 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Hetman
One more thing: BB & co are playing you like a drum.
The LBFO from February 2013 had higher pay rates than this TA. How in the world does that happen?
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Old 03-04-2014 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ThrustMonkey
I would love....LOVE to see you break down each section of that craptastic TA and explain why you think each bullet point warrants a yes vote. No seriously, I DARE you! No more general "I'm a yes vote" or "I'm voting it in because I have a hard-on for CM, the IBT and all that it entails". Just and intelligent, logical, point by point breakdown of each proposal and why you think it benefits the pilot group so much so it deserves a thumbs up. You owe it to the rest of that pilot group why you are about to slap each one of them in the face after 7 years of heartache. Shame on you.

This really makes no sense. What does it matter if I were to break it down in bullet points? I can only cast one vote(and that vote is yes). As far as me "owing" anything to the pilot group: the way I see it is that this pilot group(or at least the idiots who voted for the assessment) owe me the money that I have had to cough up for their stupidity.
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