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buddies8 03-08-2014 08:54 AM

pilotj3 you got it correct.
I am a senior pilot who will retire here, but
I am a NO VOTE.
I don't work the same for less just so AAG
can take the savings and pay another feeder.
Shut this place down if they like to, today or tomorrow,
don't care. The pilots here better wise up and stop chasing
the brass ring. You have what you have, cannot depend on a
promise.

Be Prepared
Be Strong
VOTE NO

Redundant Guy 03-08-2014 10:31 AM

Demanding your MEC kill it is a coward's way out. It also doesn't bode well for your group if the NMB becomes involved. Your MEC did as well as they could have by having a couple yes votes and abstentions. The pilots must speak to have better leverage down the road especially if the feds become involved.

You may not like your MEC but they just pilots like you and I even if I don't work for your company. However, they around this garbage much more frequently than the rest of us and have other considerations such as the NMB to look at.

The next little secret: The MEC isn't this all powerful entity that half you knuckleheads give it credit to be. They only have leverage if you speak and give it to them. Stop screaming for your MEC to do your work and go vote no. It is YOU that gives the MEC the ability to do things, not the the way around. Sack up and go vote.

AnchorDown 03-08-2014 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by Redundant Guy (Post 1598159)
Demanding your MEC kill it is a coward's way out. It also doesn't bode well for your group if the NMB becomes involved. Your MEC did as well as they could have by having a couple yes votes and abstentions. The pilots must speak to have better leverage down the road especially if the feds become involved.

You may not like your MEC but they just pilots like you and I even if I don't work for your company. However, they around this garbage much more frequently than the rest of us and have other considerations such as the NMB to look at.

The next little secret: The MEC isn't this all powerful entity that half you knuckleheads give it credit to be. They only have leverage if you speak and give it to them. Stop screaming for your MEC to do your work and go vote no. It is YOU that gives the MEC the ability to do things, not the the way around. Sack up and go vote.

Perfectly put, sir! Good luck!

AnchorDown

buddies8 03-08-2014 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by Redundant Guy (Post 1598159)
Demanding your MEC kill it is a coward's way out. It also doesn't bode well for your group if the NMB becomes involved. Your MEC did as well as they could have by having a couple yes votes and abstentions. The pilots must speak to have better leverage down the road especially if the feds become involved.

You may not like your MEC but they just pilots like you and I even if I don't work for your company. However, they around this garbage much more frequently than the rest of us and have other considerations such as the NMB to look at.

The next little secret: The MEC isn't this all powerful entity that half you knuckleheads give it credit to be. They only have leverage if you speak and give it to them. Stop screaming for your MEC to do your work and go vote no. It is YOU that gives the MEC the ability to do things, not the the way around. Sack up and go vote.


Actually the mec did what the pilots wanted it is the minority and national who changed the rules. Seems if you are the minority but are with management you can get as many bites of the apple you want. How much you want to bet that if the no vote was the minority they only get one bite.

totally agree with you the pilots have to stand up and vote no in very large numbers. Management wants a ***** on the payroll eagle pilots should not be it. Vote No

stoki 03-08-2014 12:15 PM

What are the sentiments on this over at Eagle?

At XJT, it was a very strong, angry, and vocal ***k no! From almost everybody I flew with. How is it at Eagle?

Bzzt 03-08-2014 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by Redundant Guy (Post 1598159)
Demanding your MEC kill it is a coward's way out. It also doesn't bode well for your group if the NMB becomes involved. Your MEC did as well as they could have by having a couple yes votes and abstentions. The pilots must speak to have better leverage down the road especially if the feds become involved.

You may not like your MEC but they just pilots like you and I even if I don't work for your company. However, they around this garbage much more frequently than the rest of us and have other considerations such as the NMB to look at.

The next little secret: The MEC isn't this all powerful entity that half you knuckleheads give it credit to be. They only have leverage if you speak and give it to them. Stop screaming for your MEC to do your work and go vote no. It is YOU that gives the MEC the ability to do things, not the the way around. Sack up and go vote.

The MEC are elected representatives similar to congressmen and senators in the U.S. government. It is a representative democracy that we have installed at ALPA. The MEC was given emails from the pilot group to vote no and they changed their mind under duress from national and the company. Not everything should or needs to go to a pilot vote.

bretthull 03-08-2014 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by stoki (Post 1598218)
What are the sentiments on this over at Eagle?

At XJT, it was a very strong, angry, and vocal ***k no! From almost everybody I flew with. How is it at Eagle?

Before it was "killed" last time, I'd say 80% of the CA's I flew with were NO votes.

Bzzt 03-08-2014 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by bretthull (Post 1598220)
Before it was "killed" last time, I'd say 80% of the CA's I flew with were NO votes.

Most people I fly with are also no votes however most people were no votes for the bankruptcy deal as well, look how that turned out.

Tsuda 03-08-2014 01:07 PM

Yeah, most guys I fly with are "no's." But several guys in my seniority range (14yrs) are yes voters. I think it will be close either way it goes.

RJ Pilot 03-08-2014 01:33 PM

Heard embraer has some info about an announcement the company was going to make last monday.

Care to elaborate son?


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