Ya'll knew the pay when you applied to the job. I really have no sympathy for FO's that moans about pay but you see them wearing Bose headsets and flaunting the latest Apple products.

GMAFB.

It's amazing how many new guys I see with an EFB. There's no way I would have done that as a new hire.

Not much. The wording on the flow is better and current FO's won't be capped at 4 years.

My Bose QC15 with the UflyMike was a christmas gift from my parents 3 years ago and my iPhone was free when my 2 year contract was up. How in the world does that make me rich?

Nothing is free. The cost of the phone is rolled into your payment for the next two years. You're just financing the new phone. A better question is, how does this make me poor.

God help us all if this TA passes....

this is gunna pass by a landslide…you watch

Stupid thread.... Anybody can vote on this, im not an eagle guy and i can vote on this thread. Lets just wait and see what happens the day the real vote closes. I imagine it will get shot down. Atleast we all hope so...

I voted no, but I honestly can't tell how it is going to go. One thing is certain, I think: it won't be a landslide in either direction.

The Box
 

The Box (2009) - IMDb

Anyone ever see this movie? Not the best, but the philosophical premise is eerily relatable to our current situation, with the box being this wonderful TA.

Just say No.

No sh!t, sherlock. I just wanted to get an idea as would many others. Just hoping Eagle people are the only ones who vote. And as far as waiting til the 28th...well, I'm impatient.

I voted NO!!
And put in my two week notice, all in one day!!

Felt great!!

Congrats, I can't wait for that feeling.

Pretty sure we all know the answer, but why don't you enlighten us with how you voted?

Yes voter, anyone??

I'm sure there is plenty, but they'll never admit it.

Decided not to vote. Both are bad options.

Hahahaha yeah right. I bet you voted yes...

He said he would vote yes for the unsweetened version because it was good for him, so it makes no sense for him to claim he won't vote. He's a yes all the way.

That meme is amazing! Thanks for the laugh!

From talking to people it seems Miami and Chicago are majority yes. NY and DFW are majority no, pretty much what was expected.

DOH 92..... No Vote

well it is a good thing that ord and mia are small compared to NY and DFW. so there majority yes is minor.

I just did an ord four day, who are you talking to? All I've heard for two months is no. Everyone's sport no gear. The fms and transponders when I get in say no. The crew room is all talks of no and Glenna recall. I was based in Miami two years and was the fo rep for 3 months, they are weighted 2/3 no.

I'd wager MIA being pretty evenly split. Majority of FO's NO, majority of CA's YES... At least from what I've experienced. Lifers fearing for their retirement.

Let me know when they're offering raises.
 

People also said they were voting no on the bankruptcy deal, look how that turned out. Just the people I've flown with and friends I have are who I've talked to, it's not a scientific poll I've taken by any means.

yes I know and no one here voted for the 16 year contract. I have only been able to find 10 people in 15 years who admitted to a yes vote. Yes voters hide they don't come out in public where the sun shines.

Since I haven't seen it truthfully written yet, the flow changed basically from we get half of AA's slots up to 30/month to now we get the first 30 of every month and we are guaranteed that in any year AA hires more than 360 pilots, 360 of them will be Eagle. Depending on how it's done according to the language there are situations where we could get 100% of all the spots at AA. (There are other parts to it such as annual true-ups etc but above is the basics and also these spots are not an interview or anything...we just walk into new hire class when our number comes up)

On paper it's a huge difference from version 1.0, now obviously the question is whether we believe management will actually do it. The language says they will reduce block hours in order to be able to meet the flow demands. The language is about as strong as it could be and doing the math, if Eagle does get all the slots we are promised (big IF), AA hiring to replace retirements alone will mean that few if any pilots actually hit the 4 and 12 year cap.

Again it all boils down to whether we believe that the company will make it happen.

Funny, I'm ORD based and have gotten the complete opposite feeling. I know of only 2 yes voters.

well first off you cannot trust them for much. example we had a contract that was 10 months old and ten days after aa/us merger was approved by the judge, doug and company came for more concessions. So I would not expect any block hours being given away just so you can flow. the flow has no guarantees in it, one force majeure to the judge and it is stopped and you are in a 4/12 year pay cap and stuck. newbies with an opinion about American management thanks but no thanks, now troll away back to your cubicle.

Thank you for your kind words...

To keep in all in context, I've been at Eagle for about 7 years, I've heard the old history, and lived the recent history. No where in my post did I say that I trust management. I was just putting a few facts out there instead of opinions.

Let's keep this civil and professional, just like the cockpit.

I have no dog is this fight as I left a year ago however if it's ok I'd like to make a suggestion.

I sincerely ask that all parties (FOs and Capts) read the TA as if it will determine the rest of your career because Eagle for some will be your career airlines. Please READ the TA and don't listen to the innuendos spread by union officials who want you to vote yes. In my short time there (3+years) every contract that had the possibility of going to a pilot vote had some aircraft or incentive rumor attached to it.

The divestiture TA had increased flow rumors and aircraft that would magically appear the day the Contract was signed. The current contract that Eagle is under there were supposed to be a significant number of 900s that would be announced the day after it was voted in. I personally voted No for the current contract because it killed what little quality of life that made a once good regional avg to mediocre.

The point of my post is vote with knowledge and confidence! Be ready to live with these terms for 20 years if you are so persuaded to vote yes. I hope for the sake of everyone at Eagle that they may advance on to their dream job but reality is, this will not be the case for many. Pure luck got me out of Eagle but I can say with confidence after reading the TA I see no incentive what so ever for anyone to vote In favor of this Mockery of our profession.

Best of luck!


FL450

^^^ I agree, this is why I just put in my notice and am leaving. Having been down this road once before, with a terrible outcome, AAG can su*k it!!

I personally will never reach a pay cap, I'll quit long before that happens. I'd rather manage a McDonald's than be a career regional pilot.

50% of 0 = 0

First 30 of 0 = 0

Learn your history.

Your same parent company is currently violating the flow thru contract at PSA an improperly witholding people.

Why do you expect to be treated differently?

Us airways is allowed to hold pots till dec 31. Unfortunately they aren't violating anything.

This is where I run into the logic wall. They say they are voting yes to attract new hires with the flow. What newhire is going to care about flow to AA when all the mainlines are hiring and the airline offering flow pays less than everyone else?

Everyone may be hiring but not many are actually getting interviews. I think it's more of a carrot for prospective applicants than you might imagine.