FFDO denial
04-02-2014 | 12:10 PM
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Anyone with no prior military or law enforcement experience should automatically be rejected in my opinion. Too many needle d!cks signing up for a badge and a gun for the wrong reasons.
For what its worth, most of the FFDO's I know should never have been accepted into the program, and those that should were denied.
For what its worth, most of the FFDO's I know should never have been accepted into the program, and those that should were denied.
But I've known people that were turned down with mil backgrounds. One was a gaurd pilot, the other was a firearms instructor.
04-02-2014 | 12:54 PM
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You really think they AREN'T? Of course they are! The bad guys have Google, too.
04-02-2014 | 01:04 PM
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The first thing you said is ignorant. The second, is none of your business and an opinion.
04-02-2014 | 02:10 PM
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The second thing I said, "Most of the guys I know who are FFDO's shouldn't be" is my business when the guy is so fixated on his firearm that he can't properly concentrate on his primary objective which is to fly the aircraft.
The whole FFDO program was a knee jerk reaction to 9/11 and is not an effective way to prevent terrorism. In fact, if I were trying to hijack an aircraft, I'd be looking for the one with a gun already on board which is in the possession of an amateur.
Think about it.
04-02-2014 | 02:45 PM
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04-02-2014 | 03:28 PM
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Ok Clint Eastwood. The first thing I said, "only guys with prior military or law enforcement experience," is common sense, not ignorant.
The second thing I said, "Most of the guys I know who are FFDO's shouldn't be" is my business when the guy is so fixated on his firearm that he can't properly concentrate on his primary objective which is to fly the aircraft.
The whole FFDO program was a knee jerk reaction to 9/11 and is not an effective way to prevent terrorism. In fact, if I were trying to hijack an aircraft, I'd be looking for the one with a gun already on board which is in the possession of an amateur.
Think about it.
The second thing I said, "Most of the guys I know who are FFDO's shouldn't be" is my business when the guy is so fixated on his firearm that he can't properly concentrate on his primary objective which is to fly the aircraft.
The whole FFDO program was a knee jerk reaction to 9/11 and is not an effective way to prevent terrorism. In fact, if I were trying to hijack an aircraft, I'd be looking for the one with a gun already on board which is in the possession of an amateur.
Think about it.
04-02-2014 | 04:16 PM
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Hey guys,
Got an email from the FFDO people saying I was not selected for the program after the TSA reviewed my application.
The application process and everything seemed completely disorganized and a complete hassle, so I am not too disappointed.
However, I cannot figure out why the TSA would deny me. As far as I know, my record is squeaky clean.
Any experience on these denials and ideas why? Maybe complete disdain of the TSA and everything they do?
Got an email from the FFDO people saying I was not selected for the program after the TSA reviewed my application.
The application process and everything seemed completely disorganized and a complete hassle, so I am not too disappointed.
However, I cannot figure out why the TSA would deny me. As far as I know, my record is squeaky clean.
Any experience on these denials and ideas why? Maybe complete disdain of the TSA and everything they do?
I'm joking of course and I am not saying your mental. I don't know you..
04-02-2014 | 04:44 PM
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Good reason actually. A professional foreign agent of course will have a clean cover, but those guys don't actually have access to secrets. Their job is to recruit people who ALREADY have access to secrets.
Most major spy cases in the last few decades were all about money (not counting social media leakers, who are not technically spies). Many of them were fundamentally irresponsible, which reflected in their finances.
Ames, Pollard, Hanssen, Pelton, Pitts, Walker, etc.
04-02-2014 | 04:49 PM
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Since the bad guys have no idea if a pilot will be armed, it creates a significant planning problem for any hijack attempt. They don't have to shoot terrorists, merely the possibility serves as a deterrent...and a lot cheaper than FAMs
But with that said, lets steer clear of any details about FFDO selection or operations.
04-02-2014 | 04:55 PM
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Operationally that's ludicrous...you bring your own weapon or you don't go. You don't start an op on the premise that you're going to take a gun away from an armed LEO. You've been watching way too many Hollywood movies.
It is a very cheap and effective way to complicate bad-guy planning...it's a big unknown for them. This is anti-terrorism 101, nothing too hard or secret.
The TSA hates it for the same reason the active duty military services hate reserves, and regular cops hate part-time volunteer cops...job security.
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