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Old 05-15-2014 | 12:03 PM
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Fast food workers apparently....

Fast food workers rally for higher wages



Now granted MAYBE they didn't make the best life decisions in terms of education, I cannot judge for I'm not perfect in life as well.

But hell, how embarrassing is it that Naquasia ( Nack-wasia?) and her co-workers and co-workers around the world can make such noise and be heard, while we ***** and moan on a public forum, our wheels technically spinning in the mud.

Sad really if you ask me.

And what will really be sad, is if they get what they want. Making in some instances less than $5 less than a regional FO on 1st year pay.

Get it together people. Instead of all the negative finger pointing, complaining and moaning, we should take a look at how these food food workers are doing something, because they're actually doing it!

At least they're trying to get things done... But we're happy because we voted no to a few concessions. We still are letting the MEC's and CEO's talk on behalf of the pilot group for us, and we all know that most of what's coming out their mouths isn't the truth for the most part. The PILOTS need to heard.


We can do better than this ladies and gents.
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Old 05-15-2014 | 12:07 PM
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Why? Because most of us talk through our arses and lack any kind of ball sack. It's much easier to cry and whine and name call and insult then it is to actually do something constructive. That's why. I believe in some countries it's referred to as *****itis.
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Old 05-15-2014 | 12:08 PM
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Look. These folks went through a rigorous screening process and then had 30 minutes of indoc, a half day of training to get qualified to us the burger flipper then 2 hours of systems training on the cash register. Dont forget about that GED they are working on. These are highly qualified workers we are talking about.
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Old 05-15-2014 | 12:10 PM
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Maybe fast food workers don't get SFS?

(Shiny fryer syndrome)

Anyway as Bedford said it all the fault of the unions!
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Old 05-15-2014 | 12:14 PM
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Look. These folks went through a rigorous screening process and then had 30 minutes of indoc, a half day of training to get qualified to us the burger flipper then 2 hours of systems training on the cash register. Don't forget about that GED they are working on. These are highly qualified workers we are talking about.

So of course they deserve $15/hr.


But mind you, I have a GED and one doesn't know my struggle.

I was given this opportunity from people I consider Angel's in my life from a Multi-billion company. Don't knock us. JUST CUZ I HAVE MY GED DON'T MEAN WE IS DUMB!!! <--- Is this considered flamebait?
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Old 05-15-2014 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by PICsf340
Look. These folks went through a rigorous screening process and then had 30 minutes of indoc, a half day of training to get qualified to us the burger flipper then 2 hours of systems training on the cash register. Dont forget about that GED they are working on. These are highly qualified workers we are talking about.
Try to see the principle behind what they are doing. You do remember that thang called principle don't ya? It's something management seems to carry in short supply these day's.
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Old 05-15-2014 | 12:26 PM
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Try to see the principle behind what they are doing. You do remember that thang called principle don't ya? It's something management seems to carry in short supply these day's.

You hit it on the head my friend, hence me posting it. It's not to point out they're credential or lack/thereof folks.

It's the fact, that here's a group that's actually not just talking, and doing. These are the type of things we as a pilot group need to do.

Sadly I just think we're afraid of the repercussions of our actions which lead us to not being really heard.

Seriously it doesn't make sense to have a CEO who makes more money in 6 months than most will ever seen in a lifetime tell Congress our problem's woes and concerns.

More than anything are the one's saying we make an average salary well above what you really make! That makes no sense!
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Old 05-15-2014 | 12:34 PM
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But do they have questions on their applications like: have you ever failed a training event on the fryer? Have you ever failed a check review on your burger flippings? Of course not.

You can moan, complain and raise hell when you can go next door to the next burger joint and do the same thing without the fear of being black listed from the chain industry!

We all have put a lot of time and money into getting where we are - granted we all aren't happy - but is it worth putting all of it on the line to walk the line? If it was industry wide - sure it makes a reasonable suit BUT the bacon makers aren't going to stick their necks out for everyone else.

Comparing wages to fast food workers is fair, but trying to compare how the two groups go about trying to solve their issues isn't. We all have A LOT more to lose than Johnny Pimpleface.
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Old 05-15-2014 | 12:55 PM
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But do they have questions on their applications like: have you ever failed a training event on the fryer? Have you ever failed a check review on your burger flippings? Of course not.

You can moan, complain and raise hell when you can go next door to the next burger joint and do the same thing without the fear of being black listed from the chain industry!

We all have put a lot of time and money into getting where we are - granted we all aren't happy - but is it worth putting all of it on the line to walk the line? If it was industry wide - sure it makes a reasonable suit BUT the bacon makers aren't going to stick their necks out for everyone else.

Comparing wages to fast food workers is fair, but trying to compare how the two groups go about trying to solve their issues isn't. We all have A LOT more to lose than Johnny Pimpleface.
Well I'm not out here saying hey guys we need to strike...As someone originally stated before it's looking how this group of people are taking the initiative and doing something in such short period of time. They're being pro-active and doing what THEY need to do in order to make a change.

In the past pilots have gone on strike, gotten what they wanted. Slowly fears arose, things changed, and we've gotten more afraid to do things that could help better the industry.

The thing is here that I'm trying to point out is how these folks are taking real initiative. Not to say we're not doing anything as a pilot group, but I think we can all agree that we tend to complain a lot on here, complain in the cockpits, and to who? For what?

Maybe we need to take a different approach who knows, but one thing surely is these guys are really being heard, and there's no reason why we can't as well.


And even in the unlikely event that pilots would strike. I would love to see airlines blacklist a whole group of pilots and then in place try to fill the classes, that many are struggling to fill. Even more so after August 1st.

This shortage of qualified pilots not willing to work on minimal wages isn't nationwide, it's worldwide.

As far as I can see you can't just wave a magic wand and fix that either, in the same breath, you can't wave a magic wand and strike and fix the pilot pay either. It will take time.

We can always learn something from people outside of our group and I hope our pilot group takes notice to this. We're doing something, but we can always do more.
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Old 05-15-2014 | 01:40 PM
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If they are successful, then $15.00/hour = $31,200/year. That's $4,800 more than a new hire flying 100 hours a month @ $22.00/hour.

Something is definitely wrong with this!! Unless maybe they are working their way up towards a job waiting tables at "Legacy Bar and Grill"
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