After all of the rejected contract offers RAH,EGL & XJET. What's next, did or do the unions have a plan "B"? Did they think that the pilots where going to eat & enjoy the ****** sandwich that was offered? Did anyone think well if they turn this down we will offer this? Are we not always taught to have a back up plan if the first one fails? I have not seen or heard allot from ALPA on this just about NAI & the FFDO. If ALPA wins on both of these issues what does that do for the regional pilot? Yay I can carry a gun that I cannot afford to buy bullets for or YAY some SR Major CA gets a extra 10hrs of OT......Two programs that have absolutely nothing to do with my pay it might affect some CAPT at a major or some dude that feels like he has to carry a gun to feel like he can save the world. But for me & the vast majority of the other pilots "it's about the pay Stupid!"
The silence is deafening. I am not anti union or anything just wondering how long is this going to go on? Not really seeing what my dues are going towards

 

In my opinion, ALPA has NEVER had the regionals best interest at heart. Thier bread and butter comes from Delta, United, and other large paying carriers dues. Seems to me, they are more interested in making sure that the mainline pilot's pay stays up and grows, so they can keep racking in the dues money. They probably only make a fraction of dues from all the regionals they represent, compared to a single large mainline dues cash cow. It seems that ALPA representing a regional AND that regional's mainline partner is contradictory and a conflict of interest. Look at how they let things go down between Pinnacle (Endeavor) and Papa Delta! They let Endeavor get a hugely concessionary contract shoved down their throats, so that Papa Delta could reap larger profits and give pay raises to DALPA pilots. Endeavor's concessionary contract has now set the stage for the new low ball grab that every other regional manager is trying to reach to stay "competitive". Thanks ALPA for allowing that! Or look at how ALPA blessed PSA to take their concessionary contract (out of BK) to low ball Eagle (Envoy's) post BK contract. I'm not trying to start a regional pilot vs mainline pilot war, or a war among regionals (low ballers vs STW'ers), but look at the facts of what ALPA has allowed.

Unfortunately, there is really no way to get away from ALPA. Sure, they do a few good things, here and there, but seems to be just enough to tow the regionals along day to day. From what I hear, Teamsters isn't any better. APA does great things with AA, but doesn't have any interest in representing regionals (which is probably good, as they would have the same conflict of interest that ALPA does). There just isn't another organized labor group that has the financial backing, and influence to represent all regionals together. If the regionals where to find / start another collective bargaining agent, they would have to set a foundation of a rolling minimum acceptable contract standards for ALL regional airline pilot groups. They would also have to set bylaws that prevent whipsawing among it's carriers. These two things are ALPA's weaknesses. If ALPA wants to right side up the regionals, this is where they would need to start.

 

ALPA has never cared about the regionals.......

Your point.

 

What's next is that Piedmont agrees to fly American Eagle E-175s for a contract worse even than PSA's. Thus all the NO votes from Eagle and others will have been for nothing. Oh sure, they will tell you all day how it's ok because Piedmont is getting raises.

BS

The NO voters can't have their cake and eat it to. They voted NO to-supposedly-set a bar for the industry and stop the race to the bottom. If PDT demanded to be paid at least what Eagle is currently paid to fly the E-175 then that would be something. But agreeing to a contract that is lower even than PSA's is a race to the bottom...even if it is raise for their individual pilot group. So what? They used to be below bottom feeder status and are now inching closer to level with PSA? Are we supposed to cheer that on? They couldn't have demanded Eagle rates as a minimum????

Make no mistake: If Piedmont goes through with this contract that is worse than even PSA's it will be used to whipsaw EVERYBODY in due time...including Eagle(Envoy).

 

Wish people would understand the concept of "Unions". Organized labor groups are made up of employees, a few people that listen to those employees and attempt to bargain with management. In other words, the carriage does not drive the horse. The reps can pass along the message all you as the employee want. But when it falls on deaf ears (which is pretty much what is happening at the moment) alternative methods of getting the point across must be used.

Put yourself in the shoes of management. You have a bunch of whiny pilots chest thumping and running around getting each other fired up. All they do is complain. And that's ALL they do. The show up to work every day and do their job PERFECTLY. In the eyes of management, there is no problem.

So when you ask your Union Reps to pass along the message and expect something to come of it, remember until management has a reason to bargain nothing will change.

We as the "Union" must make a move ourselves. Until then enjoy the excess complaining.

 

It's one thing for the pilot group to vote no. It's another thing for them to vote no, refuse to pick up any open time, go into 100% compliance mode, etc.

The ball is in management's court until the pilots stand ALL the way up.

What do guns have to do with anything?

 

ALPA is going to continue to do what ALPA does....The better question is what next from those of you who said NO to ALPA and these TA's? What next from STW? The ball is in YOUR court, not ALPA's....They will continue to be the failure that they have been while trying to serve two masters. Time for YOU to step up to the plate....

 

RAH is taking a "survey" to see what we want. Seems like they should have found that out before they started negotiating 7 years ago.