The money isnt there anymore.....
05-24-2014, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
What market still has 8 RJ flights a day? On any airline???
CLT-GSO. US Airways. 8 RJs a day. No mainline.
DEN-COS. United. 11 RJs/Props a day. No mainline.
PHL-LGA. US Airways. 11 RJs/Props a day. 3 mainline.
PHX-TUS. US Airways. 11 RJs a day. No mainline.
DFW-IAH. United. 12 RJs a day. 2 mainline.
SEA-PDX. Alaska. 24 Props a day. No mainline.
I'm sure there are many others. There is plenty of room in airline schedules to replace RJs. What city pair, aside from the biggest business market, really needs more than 4-5 flights a day? If the city is served by two hubs, even 3 flights a day to each, alternating to the hubs, is probably plenty.
05-24-2014, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by lolwut
CVG-DTW. Delta. 6 RJs a day. No mainline.
CLT-GSO. US Airways. 8 RJs a day. No mainline.
DEN-COS. United. 11 RJs/Props a day. No mainline.
PHL-LGA. US Airways. 11 RJs/Props a day. 3 mainline.
PHX-TUS. US Airways. 11 RJs a day. No mainline.
DFW-IAH. United. 12 RJs a day. 2 mainline.
SEA-PDX. Alaska. 24 Props a day. No mainline.
I'm sure there are many others. There is plenty of room in airline schedules to replace RJs. What city pair, aside from the biggest business market, really needs more than 4-5 flights a day? If the city is served by two hubs, even 3 flights a day to each, alternating to the hubs, is probably plenty.
CLT-GSO. US Airways. 8 RJs a day. No mainline.
DEN-COS. United. 11 RJs/Props a day. No mainline.
PHL-LGA. US Airways. 11 RJs/Props a day. 3 mainline.
PHX-TUS. US Airways. 11 RJs a day. No mainline.
DFW-IAH. United. 12 RJs a day. 2 mainline.
SEA-PDX. Alaska. 24 Props a day. No mainline.
I'm sure there are many others. There is plenty of room in airline schedules to replace RJs. What city pair, aside from the biggest business market, really needs more than 4-5 flights a day? If the city is served by two hubs, even 3 flights a day to each, alternating to the hubs, is probably plenty.
05-24-2014, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by pete2800
I can tell you that of those 24 flights from SEA-PDX... probably 23 are full with a standby list left over. It's a crazy market.
05-24-2014, 11:47 AM
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"Pool Of Money"
I'm also starting to hear mgmt. refer to a "pool of money" that we are all paid from... The insinuation... or outright claim is that if we are going to make more then its going to have to come out of mainline pilots part of the "Pool".. Please, every time you hear this brought up, remind whoever is offering it that the majors are retiring the deep end of their pool.
I'm also starting to hear mgmt. refer to a "pool of money" that we are all paid from... The insinuation... or outright claim is that if we are going to make more then its going to have to come out of mainline pilots part of the "Pool".. Please, every time you hear this brought up, remind whoever is offering it that the majors are retiring the deep end of their pool.
05-24-2014, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by pete2800
I can tell you that of those 24 flights from SEA-PDX... probably 23 are full with a standby list left over. It's a crazy market.
05-24-2014, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Jefferson
"Pool Of Money"
I'm also starting to hear mgmt. refer to a "pool of money" that we are all paid from... The insinuation... or outright claim is that if we are going to make more then its going to have to come out of mainline pilots part of the "Pool".. Please, every time you hear this brought up, remind whoever is offering it that the majors are retiring the deep end of their pool.
I'm also starting to hear mgmt. refer to a "pool of money" that we are all paid from... The insinuation... or outright claim is that if we are going to make more then its going to have to come out of mainline pilots part of the "Pool".. Please, every time you hear this brought up, remind whoever is offering it that the majors are retiring the deep end of their pool.
Pay for the professional on average has been decreasing over the decades. Most pilots just don't understand why because they get caught up in the blame game that is spoon fed to us.
As those at the "deep end" are retiring, they are being replaced at the shallow end end is getting more and more shallow every year. This is the system we have in place and it's designed very specifically to reduce labor costs over time.
05-24-2014, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Natca
That may be but it is a very low margin route, many folks will drive is the cost per seat goes up. There have been several carries that have pulled out of that market when they tried to raise the ticket cost and folks started driving or when to other carriers. That market is profitable by volume with a low cost per seat miles... Ie turboprop.
05-24-2014, 08:00 PM
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True, that the fuel cost per seat / mile on RJ's far exceeded the fuel per seat / mile cost of narrow bodies at the mainline. But it used to be that the carriers LOVED the RJ's because of the supply and demand aspect of only having xxx amount of seats available to sell on a particular flight. It cost more money to buy a ticket on a short route between ORD and CLE, on an RJ, than to buy a ticket on a longer route between ORD and say SLC on mainline. However, as far as fuel cost goes between RJ's and narrow bodies, (someone correct me if I'm wrong) The new 737 next gen, and Airbus NGEO's with geared turbo fans, are burning equal or less fuel than most large RJ's (CRJ 700 / 900's & E-175's) about 4,000 lbs/hr at cruise.
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