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The problem goes even further than that. Are pilots already at these airlines willing to trade some of their gains for other pilots from other airlines to be paid more? I'd wager the answer is no. No one else takes care of me except me and it is silly to believe anyone else is going to me before their ability to pay the bills. Love the concept though but only if it doesn't come at my expense.
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Originally Posted by Redundant Guy
(Post 1667670)
The problem goes even further than that. Are pilots already at these airlines willing to trade some of their gains for other pilots from other airlines to be paid more? I'd wager the answer is no. No one else takes care of me except me and it is silly to believe anyone else is going to me before their ability to pay the bills. Love the concept though but only if it doesn't come at my expense.
What I am proposing isn't something new or radical. It already exists in other unionized industries. Why so many allow themselves to believe we must start over (longevity pay wise) every time we switch jobs is insanity. Your experience should matter. So many of you seem to have Stockholm syndrome. Management has you sold on the idea you're worthless. |
Why does everyone think we have unions in the airline business? We have no unions. What we have are a weak imitation of a union that advocates on Capital Hill in the interests of its mainline members and consults it's Regional members with just enough guidance to hang themselves.
Most of what we have was voted in by the people you see in your own crew room every day or the greedy self serving pricks that came and left years before pulling the rope up behind them. Example...show of hands...how many people here would vote in a 10% pay cut to boost 1st year FO pay? You would vote no. Then what would you do if ALPA comes in and says, "we are gonna sign off on that because it's the right thing to do". I bet you all would swiftly get rid of ALPA then. |
Originally Posted by GlobeTreker
(Post 1667284)
It's a good thing ALPO never perused a national seniority system for longevity pay. The whipsaw has only just begun. The writing has been on the wall for some time. Regionals with large numbers of pilots are being drawn down and tiny airlines are being built up in their place. Mainline management is hoping we all rush to Mesa, Compass and PSA for $23 when the rest of the big regionals fold.
If we were able to keep our longevity pay, it would be much less of an issue and a deterrent for the whipsaw. ALPO is firmly on their heels yet again. The single biggest thing ALPO could do to increase pay across the board is to untether us from any one airline seniority number. Plumbers, Electrician and construction unions all have longevity taken into account when they change jobs. Wake The Fu** up ALPO you stupid thieving pieces of crap! It would even increase the ammount they collect for dues, and they are too stupid apparently to see it. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1667775)
You have a incredibly poor understanding of the RLA.
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 1667811)
Yep, a national union, with seniority list is not allowed by the RLA. So why does ALPA support the RLA, the closed shop provision?
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OP can't spell miserable, calls other people morons.
I point that out, my post gets deleted. Sure, that makes sense. :rolleyes: . |
Originally Posted by TonyC
(Post 1667904)
OP can't spell miserable, calls other people morons.
I point that out, my post gets deleted. Sure, that makes sense. :rolleyes: . We all need good spelling and grammar. The real problem is that the Kool-Aid(tm) is tasting a little bitter because of the poison. People have paid for a service and not gotten their return for investment. This tends to make rational people angry. |
Originally Posted by TonyC
(Post 1667904)
OP can't spell miserable, calls other people morons.
I point that out, my post gets deleted. Sure, that makes sense. :rolleyes: . |
ALPA did their best to save the Envoy pilot's from themselves. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
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