Thanks ALPA for being a miserable failure
06-19-2014 | 05:37 AM
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The problem goes even further than that. Are pilots already at these airlines willing to trade some of their gains for other pilots from other airlines to be paid more? I'd wager the answer is no. No one else takes care of me except me and it is silly to believe anyone else is going to me before their ability to pay the bills. Love the concept though but only if it doesn't come at my expense.
06-19-2014 | 06:05 AM
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The problem goes even further than that. Are pilots already at these airlines willing to trade some of their gains for other pilots from other airlines to be paid more? I'd wager the answer is no. No one else takes care of me except me and it is silly to believe anyone else is going to me before their ability to pay the bills. Love the concept though but only if it doesn't come at my expense.
What I am proposing isn't something new or radical. It already exists in other unionized industries. Why so many allow themselves to believe we must start over (longevity pay wise) every time we switch jobs is insanity. Your experience should matter. So many of you seem to have Stockholm syndrome. Management has you sold on the idea you're worthless.
06-19-2014 | 07:19 AM
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Why does everyone think we have unions in the airline business? We have no unions. What we have are a weak imitation of a union that advocates on Capital Hill in the interests of its mainline members and consults it's Regional members with just enough guidance to hang themselves.
Most of what we have was voted in by the people you see in your own crew room every day or the greedy self serving pricks that came and left years before pulling the rope up behind them.
Example...show of hands...how many people here would vote in a 10% pay cut to boost 1st year FO pay? You would vote no. Then what would you do if ALPA comes in and says, "we are gonna sign off on that because it's the right thing to do". I bet you all would swiftly get rid of ALPA then.
Most of what we have was voted in by the people you see in your own crew room every day or the greedy self serving pricks that came and left years before pulling the rope up behind them.
Example...show of hands...how many people here would vote in a 10% pay cut to boost 1st year FO pay? You would vote no. Then what would you do if ALPA comes in and says, "we are gonna sign off on that because it's the right thing to do". I bet you all would swiftly get rid of ALPA then.
06-19-2014 | 07:57 AM
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It's a good thing ALPO never perused a national seniority system for longevity pay. The whipsaw has only just begun. The writing has been on the wall for some time. Regionals with large numbers of pilots are being drawn down and tiny airlines are being built up in their place. Mainline management is hoping we all rush to Mesa, Compass and PSA for $23 when the rest of the big regionals fold.
If we were able to keep our longevity pay, it would be much less of an issue and a deterrent for the whipsaw. ALPO is firmly on their heels yet again. The single biggest thing ALPO could do to increase pay across the board is to untether us from any one airline seniority number. Plumbers, Electrician and construction unions all have longevity taken into account when they change jobs. Wake The Fu** up ALPO you stupid thieving pieces of crap! It would even increase the ammount they collect for dues, and they are too stupid apparently to see it.
If we were able to keep our longevity pay, it would be much less of an issue and a deterrent for the whipsaw. ALPO is firmly on their heels yet again. The single biggest thing ALPO could do to increase pay across the board is to untether us from any one airline seniority number. Plumbers, Electrician and construction unions all have longevity taken into account when they change jobs. Wake The Fu** up ALPO you stupid thieving pieces of crap! It would even increase the ammount they collect for dues, and they are too stupid apparently to see it.
06-19-2014 | 09:09 AM
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They don't support the RLA. They simply don't have a prayer of getting it changed without a hundredfold increase in PAC money. They did float a trial ballon and attempted to have FedEx removed from the RLA. Never even got out of committee let alone to either floor for a vote. Fred Smith and the ATA pulled out all the stops including canceling every Boeing aircraft he had on order if it were passed.
06-19-2014 | 10:48 AM
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We all need good spelling and grammar. The real problem is that the Kool-Aid(tm) is tasting a little bitter because of the poison.
People have paid for a service and not gotten their return for investment. This tends to make rational people angry.
06-19-2014 | 10:53 AM
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Around 8 of his posts have been deleted with an infraction doled out. Your post was deleted only to unspool the angry back and forth. It was nothing personal.
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